Arun, did Gnuffone burn down your house in your last life?

It isn't personal. It's the fact that he has got away with everything! He doesn't care about his rep because it is only a few forumers. He cares about having the achievements on his profile. This should not be entertained.

ah, just checking.

if he doesnt care about his rep, why did he come out and apologize?

To try and quieten people. He doesn't want Fizzer to react to the voice of a large group calling for punishment. But to be honest here, Fizzer is displaying blatant favouritism towards Gnuffone for whatever reason. How can he let him off the hook?

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I believe member accounts get more leninet punishment. I've never heard of a membership account getting a perm ban. Whether or not he is in WM is Anonymous' decision.

It's not playing favorites. You're asking him to take time away from the development of the game in order to ban a single person and design his page to make cheater more visible. Is a waste of time.

A 2 minute sequence of clicks to ban a player who has systematically undermined the site to gain the highest accolades is a waste? You've actually managed to make yourself look even more ridiculous Lawlz.

Jehovah, if he won't ban for this he won't ban for anything, which I can understand for members (as long as it is all members). But his achievements should surely all be removed. As it is, he has had NO punishment!

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How do you know it's 2 clicks? I'd say 1 to open the browser, the second only if you have a bookmark to warlight visible directly from the browser.

No, I'd say it takes more than 2 clicks :)

Gnuffone slept with my wife.

He said a 2 minute sequence of clicks.

Still, I have nothing against Gnuffone, but do think he should be punished.
The argument "Gnuffone has already been punished by the decrease in respect people have for him." is not a good argument. A murderer or rapist whos face has been in the media has also lost his life. Wont be able to live or work anywhere normally. Still we put them in jail, why? Because they still need to get punished. Same goes here. There are rules, and you need to listen to them. If you don`t you have to be punished. I do agree a perm ban is way to much for this, but a punishment has to be given.

The exact arguement I used Min, which gleaned an insult from Fridge likening me to a schoolyard bully. A perm ban would not be too much for the sheer magnitude of his cheating, but as he is a member I would be satisfied with a prominent cheating mark on his profile and a removal of his ladder stats/trophies. Also, Fizzer cannot use the arguement that nobody has reported them as it is impossible to report a player for cheating. You are ridirected to the wiki page which suggests using the forum.

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not this shit again. report him if you think he should be punished. punishments on this site are made arbitrarily. discussing it is pointless.

You cannot report a player for cheating. You are told to go to the wiki page, which tells you to go to the forums.

Not sure a ban is needed, but a long suspension is. Or maybe just a ban from ladders. And it does matter because i am pretty sure i played an alt of his on a ladder

Why is nobody here upset that Beelzebu just admitted to using all of the same tactics as Gnuffone to get his high ladder rating? Shouldn't they be treated the same?

Because Beelzebu didn't use all the same tactics.

What did he do? I missed that

He cheated but admitted it to make a point. Gnuffs awards need to be taken away from him, as do Bezelbub's though I don't feel as strongly about him.

http://warlight.net/Forum/Thread?ThreadID=38116

Guys - I am simply not a type of guy who treats any game that serious. This game has provided me great moments, and tons of fun the last four years, and i really like the community. I know Gnu's done some borderline inappropriate things, but your whole crusade is sad. Especially since despite what he's done, he still is a colorful person, which is without a doubt a part of this community's history. There were good and bad things to him, but it's not all black and white like some of you want him to look.

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ChrisCMU:
I also don't understand why WM has not kicked him out. I asked before and Fridge said it would be pointless because he is not playing anyway.

G.Arun:
Fridge shot me down when I said the same and all his clan and friends seem to treat it as a minor infringement

Sorry Arun, I stand by what I've said before: I DO NOT think it was a minor infringement. I think it was EXTREMELY bad. Yet my opinion is clear: 1) This is only a game. 2) I see no point in his expulsion.

His history is not all black and white. Back in the #elite! days, he was not as good as he's become after he joined WM and he joined WM very early. Furthermore he meant a lot in WM clan's history and I do believe, WM should not expel him only because the community wants him to suffer for what he's done. He was part of WM when he was doing the bad things - ok. Shame on him. And shame on WM for we had a bad apple and did not stop him when some of us knew some of his minor shady secrets. But it's still a bad apple who was a big part of our in-clan community and I feel that trying to erase him from WM history would only seem like struggling to make WM look cleaner, better. And in my eyes it would bring even more shame. Yet again - the above is my personal opinion, and if at some point the clan as a whole decides to make that move, i will not hesitate, but remove him.

If that makes you guys feel any better, some time ago Gnuffone asked me directly in a private message to remove him from WM for what he has done.

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G.Arun:
an insult from Fridge likening me to a schoolyard bully

I did not mean to insult you. It was my honest opinion. Not that you are, but that the situation makes you look like one..

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Pulsey:
Whether or not he is in WM is Anonymous' decision

It's upsetting people judge me for not removing him from our clan. I am not the Leader of WM, even though i have been recently doing virtually everything related to running it. It shouldn't be up to me, nor up to the community as a whole. It's up to Anonymous, or the majority of the clan. The mere fact that i have managing rights in WM, does not make me eligible to make expulsion decisions on my own.

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Lawlz:
It's not playing favorites. You're asking him to take time away from the development of the game in order to ban a single person and design his page to make cheater more visible. Is a waste of time.

Don't understand me wrong but I'm astonished that I hear voice of reason from you, but I admit - this time I completely agree with what you say here. Banning or suspending might not be that big of a deal for Fizzer, but altering player's statistics or profile page might require modification of the game engine since it seems to me that profile pages are generated automatically in a way that would after some time "update" the otherwise manually altered profile page.

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Min34:
A murderer or rapist whos face has been in the media has also lost his life. Wont be able to live or work anywhere normally. Still we put them in jail, why? Because they still need to get punished.

Stop this nonsense with rapists and murderers.. You are really stupid enough not to see any difference? Besides - the penitentiary system has been proven to be of no help. And finally - NO - we don't put murderers or rapists in jail to punish them. We make to prevent them from doing it again, and in hope they will take their time and realize what they did was wrong so they will not want to do it again. Interesting fact is - some prisoners punished for heavy crimes, after getting out of jail, commit the heaviest yet harmless crimes just to get back in jail, because they are in the difficult situation of knowing what they've done was bad, but still being aware they cannot control themselves fully and being afraid they will harm people again..

Beren Erchamion:
Why is nobody here upset that Beelzebu just admitted to using all of the same tactics as Gnuffone

I know of at least 5 people from other clans who did abuse the ladders using their alts in different teams. Nobody's whining while I am not the only one who knows..