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New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/24/2019 12:19:41


PJ 
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Why are Guiroma and Greece changed to cyclic order?
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/24/2019 12:58:12


Φιλώτας 
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Yes why? random is funnier
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/24/2019 14:15:32


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
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lets make a team for Anti-SR-Land
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/24/2019 15:36:55

FiveStarGeneral
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I'd like to join team Ireland
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/24/2019 16:08:53


Rento 
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Yeah I'm receiving a lot of feedback on cyclic-move Greece. It's more controversial than I expected it to be.

I will choose something else for the next edition in 2020, but for now it is what it is.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/24/2019 17:17:18


Great Expanse 
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Unless I missed it, or if someone already is organizing it, I am interested in a Canadian team.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/24/2019 18:22:09


Super Smoove 
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Team America's got a discord server, if you're interested in joining message me and i'll send you a link

Want to figure out who wants to play full stop before deciding A/B/Q teams but yeah hit me up if you want that.

If you don't have discord that's fine, just send me a mail over the forums letting me know you're American and interested in playing. We're gonna be fielding multiple teams it looks like so yea.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/24/2019 21:54:21


PJ 
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@Rento: If you received a lot of feedback, why don't you consider a change at this stage?

I never played Greece with cyclic but it's fine as non-cyclic. What's the point of changing a great strategic template from the way it is commonly played? (For Guiroma I find the 0% SR and improvement and don't mind cyclic)

In the end it's your call (or whatever the organisers are) of course.
Thanks for the effort.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/25/2019 01:58:54

Zev 
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why let a place to luck? it can ruin a game

Edited 9/25/2019 02:05:40
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/25/2019 02:16:35

Zev 
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New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/25/2019 02:17:12


krinid 
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Is there a team Canada?
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/25/2019 03:07:23


Coronel Gavilan
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hi, i sign up myself for MEXICO team
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/25/2019 08:30:47


Farah♦ 
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Team America's got a discord server, if you're interested in joining message me and i'll send you a link

Can't we make a general server for Nations Cup with channels for all teams? Should be easy to make.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/25/2019 13:51:19


Rento 
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Cyclic move Greece is clearly the most controversial template. There are people who absolutely hate this and there are people who love this. So I see no point in returning to random move this edition, although I agree, it's best if there's just 1 verions of every template and if I wanted cyclic move, I should have chosen something else completely.
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/25/2019 13:59:55


Lightning
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I would like to form a Non-Aligned Movement for those that dont have enough players to form a team of their country...
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/25/2019 14:43:03


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New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/25/2019 16:22:54


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@Rento i see you put me in as contact for Norway, thats okay with me. Just wanted to say that we got 6 players now.

Norway:

-Hunta (https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=789393739)

-TurboTT117 (https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=3223047956)

- IvarBlodøks (https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=5061500274)

-Mandarb (https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=906302838)

-Tor hammerløs (https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=4193177007)

-Bananashake (https://www.warzone.com/Profile?p=4117039487)

Templates will be sent in mail, but i wonder since there are only 6 templates, one player could play the same template twice?
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/25/2019 16:39:11


Rento 
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Many people ask about it. So I'll clarify: the system I'm using is totally different from CL system.

Here's how it works:

1st round, played on Guiroma template.

Every team plays 12 games on Guiroma, so a full 6-player team will have 2 games per player.

After 21 days, 2nd round starts, this time all games are on French Brawl.

So all your players play French Brawl now

etc, until the final 6th round, which should start on 26th January 2020.

Also to keep in mind, you can put a player on a bench and have other people play instead of him on some particular template(s). They would then play 3 games instead of 2. It comes with a small penalty to max points though, as explained in the spreadsheet I linked in the opening post. Still it could be worth it if someone really hates some template(s).
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/26/2019 07:29:40


PJ 
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This will be great. Thanks for organizing!

- How do you plan to decide the pairings? Based on team ranking? Standard swiss or accelerated pairings?
- Why is there at this point no possibility to change Strat Greece back to non-cyclic move order?
New Nations Cup - sign up your team now!: 9/26/2019 08:02:06


Rento 
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I have an algorithm that ranks teams from favourites at top to weaker teams going down.
I use this algorithm after signup deadline to seed teams. So before October 12th I have no idea what team will have what seed, including my own Poland team. I'm trying to make it as objective as I can. Then I do the pairing for 1st round.

I know 3 types of pairing systems used in Swiss:
-adjecent pairing: 1st seed vs 2nd seed, 3rd vs 4th etc
-fold pairing: best seed vs worst seed, second best vs second worst etc
-slide pairing. With 16 teams participating it would be 1st seed vs 9th seed, 2nd vs 10th etc.

I don't know which one of these you consider standard Swiss, but I plan to go for slide pairing because it looks most enjoyable.

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Like I said, I'm not changing Greece back to random move because a good number of people enjoy this change.
I already have rules for this season, including templates chosen. I can change rules any time when I see a very good reason to do so, but I don't think we have a very good reason here. Cyclic Greece is controversial, but not overwhelmingly disliked.

@edit
I thought about accelerated pairing but it comes with some disadvantages and I think 6 rounds for 16-32 teams is enough without it. I don't expect to get more than 32 teams.

Edited 9/26/2019 08:04:34
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