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EUROPE: 5/6/2012 18:51:48


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Bump..
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 19:23:36


BlueGalaxy
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I like it :)

Makes the map seem much more different now, more unique!
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 19:56:32


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Thanks Bluegalaxy, at least someone agrees with me :D
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 20:01:31


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^JK

How else could I make the map more unique?
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 20:04:03


Richard Sharpe 
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Is Troll not approving the map because it is too similar to his own?
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 20:17:11


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Yeah, at the moment it is not different enough.

It lines up almost perfectly if you have Europe in one tab and my version in another. (This was the effect I was trying to achieve at the very start but it seems I need to change it to make it more unique.)
Try it for yourself, i'd like your thoughts and suggestions please...

[Troll's Europe](http://warlight.net/SinglePlayer.aspx?PreviewMap=10895).
[My version](http://warlight.net/SinglePlayer.aspx?PreviewMap=13020).
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 20:25:45


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Maybe you could include more of africa, like egypt, arabia etc?
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 20:26:39


BlueGalaxy
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Or maybe include some Navy boats and Air Force for to go with the World Wars themes??
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 20:33:57


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Maybe you could include more of africa, like egypt, arabia etc?
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That would be too big for the map I had in mind, reducing play-ability too much.
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 20:36:33


BlueGalaxy
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Ahhh, that's fine then
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 20:43:58


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Amusing since this is the very scenario that I and others warned you about.

If the changes made aren't sufficient for Troll then I don't know what more can be done.
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 20:51:35


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What if you called it "Troll's Europe, adjusted" or credited him in some way?
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 20:54:54


BlueGalaxy
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I think that could work Ace Windu.
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 22:08:11


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Maybe I could write "adapted from Trolls Europe" on the map somewhere? Though I do think this doesn't need to be done as people recognise the slovakia, hungary and Ireland bounses..
Richard you did warn me, but I thought Troll would see the benefit this adaption would bring to the community.
At the moment though, it seems like all the work I have done is going to waste ;(
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 22:28:47


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Don't you think it would have made sense to check with Troll first before embarking on this endeavor?
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 22:37:40


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My recommendation is that instead of asking the populace what to change via the forum, go direct to the source and ask Troll what changes he would like to see. What, if anything, is too similar to his own map and could be changed to provide uniqueness. Makes far more sense than polling for responses that may not have any impact on Troll's decision.
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 22:45:57


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Don't you think it would have made sense to check with Troll first before embarking on this endeavor?
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I didn't think he still active and I *Still* don't know where to check on people's profiles ;/

Also, I have been speaking to Troll, he says he doesn't like how it lines up with his europe. I spoke about it in a post above. It's just I want to meet a middle ground...
EUROPE: 5/6/2012 23:17:18


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if you add rivers he and add ore of russia and perhaps caucus he might say yes troll is right it is too similar to his
EUROPE: 5/7/2012 01:51:18

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About profiles:

There's currently no way to search for profiles, you can only follow links. So you can view the profile of everyone you ever played with, the profile of anyone who's ever posted on this forum *and the profile of every map maker*. Just go to the map details page (for Europe, that's [here](http://warlight.net/Map.aspx?ID=73)) and look at the top, where it says "Created by Troll". Just click his name and you'll go to his profile.

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About talking to Troll:

|> Also, I have been speaking to Troll, he says he doesn't like how it lines up with his europe. I spoke about it in a post above. It's just I want to meet a middle ground...

I agree with Richard: don't ask *us* what that middle ground would be, ask *him*!

Maybe he wants your map to be more distinct from his version and doesn't care at all about a thank-you note on the map. But on the other hand, for all I know, it could be the other way around entirely. Other options include him being pissed off about you not asking permission in advance and there not being anything you can do to change his mind, or the exact opposite, him just needing a few days to cool down from the nasty surprise and changing his mind in a few days without any changes to the map.

But, I can only list possibilities and make guesses. Since I don't know him at all (in fact, I'm not even sure "him" is the right word; for all I know Troll could be a woman), those guesses are pretty worthless. So, how about you get back to Troll and say something like: "Sorry for not asking your permission beforehand. Now that the map is basically finished and I'm really proud of it and a bunch of other people also like it a lot and want to play on it, I'm hoping to still find a way to publish it. [And here comes the important part...] Can you please tell me if there's something I can do to get your approval?".

(You have my permission to simply copy-paste those lines, but it wouldn't hurt your case if you'd only use it as inspiration and put the general message into your own words.)

Please keep something very important in mind: *Troll has every right to answer with an outright "no, not gonna happen"...!* Whatever you do, don't get angry or mad (well, you can of course, but only in the privacy of your own home; don't show it in the way you talk to Troll and, maybe even more importantly, don't show it in posts you make here in this thread, expecting that Troll won't see them anyway, because he just might!). I'm sorry to have to say it so bluntly, but unfortunately it's an important message (and lesson): you're the one at fault here.

In Dutch we have a saying which goes something like "It's easier to get forgiveness than permission". I'm not sure such a saying exists in English (or whatever your native language may be??) but if there is: if you ask me, that's only true in bureaucracies, the exact opposite is true when you're asking someone for a personal favour, always get approval first!
EUROPE: 5/7/2012 14:47:43


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Thanks RvW, I'll bear that in mind. Also, where exactly is the *"Inactive for x days"* on people's profiles?

Update: Proportions have changed according to Google maps/satellite images, so have territories in; Portugal, NW Russia, Turkey and Poland. Slight changes in Sweden, Finland and Norway. You may also notice name changes in the surrounding areas of those listed above.
Iceland moved to more correct position.
Connection in N Africa has been taken out (Sardinia) and one more has been added in Turkey.
The [Map](http://warlight.net/SinglePlayer.aspx?PreviewMap=13020).
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