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Ah, thanks Richard. :)

It´s coming along nicely :)

I think you should split Italy into North and South, and perhaps with Sicily and Sardinia split off into another bonus too..

In the original Italy is pretty much neglected, this would alter that.

I haven't read through the complete thread but how about re-drawing intra-national borders entirely? I always thought of some internal divisions in Trolls Europe as a bit arbitrary (Don't get me wrong here btw, it IS a really great map and I totally understand that this is a necessity for such a map to be playable at all!).
But these internal borders aren't set in stone and could be the key in making your map distinct enough from Trolls to get his/her permission to publish. After all, those are the core of why the map is like it is - the national borders aren't exactly Trolls doing (ofc except for keeping Yugoslavia, merging Benelux etc). ;)

Gnull, the problem is, that is a tall task. A decent amount of work would be needed to revamp the internal boundaries as you are advocating.

@Francisco Vile- I thought about this but splitting the map up too much will make it...well you know what I mean. I think there should still be *some* big bonuses such as NW Russia, Poland, Sweden and Italy. I might make it more appealing though but don't know where to change in italy yet.

@Gnullbegg - I can't find anything on the internet that doesn't look similar to troll's international borders. :) About the internal borders, I think that may be the way to go, to differ the map, if the latest change wasn't enough. I am still awaiting Troll's verdict though on the new changes.

In the meantime, I will probably rename a few more places.

I know what you mean! You could merge some of the original´s smaller bonuses into large bonuses, in that case. Ireland and Britain, for example, or turn the Czech Republic and Slovakia into Czechoslovakia.

Maybe combine Austria with some of the Southern German States, or with Czechoslovakia too

|> @Gnullbegg - I can't find anything on the internet that doesn't look similar to troll's international borders. :)

The last time I checked, Macedonia wasn't part of Greece, fore example. :P
(What's called Macedonia in Troll's map is the historical/cultural region IIRC.)

|> Gnull, the problem is, that is a tall task. A decent amount of work would be needed to revamp the internal boundaries as you are advocating.

Yes, of course. But isn't that exactly the kind of work that is needed to make those two maps distinct from each other?

Gnullberg:
|> the national borders aren't exactly Trolls doing (ofc except for keeping Yugoslavia, merging Benelux etc). ;)

He didn't really keep Yugoslavia, all its (at the time) independent countries are their own territory. Sure, the Western Balkan and Eastern Balkan together are Yugoslavia (and "Balkan" is a misnomer, since the Balkan is much larger than ex-Yu), but that's all.

Merging the Benelux is not Troll's invention; in the real world there's a custom's union (is that the right word in English), that's actually where the name "Benelux" came from!

Major Risk:
|> I can't find anything on the internet that doesn't look similar to troll's international borders. :)

[You didn't search enough \*evil grin\*](https://www.google.com/search?q=map+europe+1800&tbm=isch)

Thanks Rvw, but thats in the 1800's, my map is meant to be up to date. If I changed it, it would look too like Europe AD 1900, by Ottoman, and then I'd really be in a mess!

can't you publish this, it seems good to go and i really want to play on it

Did you read the entire topic? Sometimes it's better to just read the topic to see if the question you are gonna ask hasn't been answered yet.

That would make far too much sense Frank...

|> Thanks Rvw, but thats in the 1800's, my map is meant to be up to date. If I changed it, it would look too like Europe AD 1900, by Ottoman, and then I'd really be in a mess!

Pity we can't have maps which evolve over time (= game turns). Like you start with Europe AD 1600, then every turn is 10 years, so in turn 40 (if the game isn't finished yet) you'd be in Europe AD 2000 (and stay there; no way to predict the future).
Obviously there's a few "minor" practical issues and I'd be shocked if Fizzer spent the ridiculous amount of time needed to implement this, but still, it's a cool concept! :p

Nice idea RvW, and you could have it that as time progresses, more of the world unveils.. So after a certain time has passed, connections to America and Asia become visible!

I'm not saying that's a bad idea, I like it ;),
but I think that would be a *much* bigger map than what Major risk intended to make. :S

I don't know if he'd be willing to expand the map alot more.

Doing much more work for the slight possibility that this "time progress" animation concept will appear is a long shot, and not one i'm wiling to take :)

Also, I believe maps past 350ish or so territories are bad to play on, unless the map is extremely good in a minority of cases.

I don´t mean for this map, but in general :)

Back on topic: You could divide the territories via natural boundaries rather than political ones. They´ll line up somewhat but it may differentiate it

I would like to be able to try this map out!
Skimmed through the topic from page till now and your project seems to have divided a lot of opinions.
I can see how Troll may have some issues with a similar version of Europe come out. But, many great works in the past have inspired other masterpieces, each complimenting each other.
If map making was a form of revenue generation then I could understand there having to be many points of difference and other issues with map making. But, I am under the impression that it is a labour of love and for the benefit of the community in general to have more options.

Good luck Major Risk and I hope to be dishing out some pain on the map of Europe (whatever name it will end up with)

Took your advice and added bit more in turkey. Spoken to Troll to see if it is ready, waiting for reply.
If it isn't I have nothing else to change really ;/

Any thoughts on the [map](http://warlight.net/SinglePlayer.aspx?PreviewMap=13020)?