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EUROPE: 5/4/2012 06:37:43


Major Risk 
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Thanks again Moros.
Also I agree with Pentrenko. I think making a sea colour which will completely distinguish from the Original Troll's Europe.
And I didn't think he was still active ( I don't know where to check..) I shall invite him to a game then later.
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 07:26:44


Domenico
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His profile, naturally.

I still recommend you to tell Troll about the changes you want to make to his original map, then either let him make a new version or make a UserVoice about adopting the map.
It's the same I did with The Netherlands, the differences being of course that NMI couldn't be contacted and The Netherlands wasn't a classic.

Also, if you do upload this map, you could name it *"adapted version"* or *"alternative Europe"*. That would prevent a lot of the aforementioned bogus reports.
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 07:35:37


Domenico
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Also, I think a possible partition of Germany would be the former West and East Germany. Right now, that isn't possible, as you've combined Hessen and Thűringen.

Vojvodina <--> Bosnia and Herzegovina
Loveč <--> Sofija
Čuvašija <--> Kaluga *and* Moscow
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 16:35:15


Major Risk 
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Thanks Domenico, they have been fixed, also I have split up Germany also, [here](http://WarLight.net/SinglePlayer.aspx?PreviewMap=13020)
Also RvW, I have now contacted him and await troll's reply. In the meantime I am going separate some bonuses such as Ukraine - Any political corrections are welcome.
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 16:43:40


szeweningen 
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Strategically partitioning Germany makes no difference, noone will pick it anyway (in warlords). The most important changes in both cities and warlords distributions are (in the order of how much it'll impact gameplay):
- partitioning UK
- western balkans
- east germany (in cities)
- finland
- baltic states
- bulgaria
- connections in sweden

I don't think that patition of germany helped. Since east has 5/5 income/territory ratio it'll be overpower, though easily counterpicked against. People will need to focus more on Czech-East Germany area to make sure noone counters the center hard from Germany. There should be some testing done, but I think Troll's basic template is more balanced. Though who knows, maybe I am wrong ;)
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 17:14:44


Major Risk 
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Bonus values have been changed for Germany - but I seem to have some "Ghost Mid Point" where the former joined territory of Hessen and Thiringen used to be, I can't get rid of it but it doesn't show up in the preview...
Anyway going to do Western Balkans next.
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 17:23:34


Gnullbegg 
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Well a few minutes ago it did show up in my preview but now it looks all normal...
Anyways, some typos I noticed:
it's Freistaat (not Friestaat), Baden-Württemberg (not -burg) and Rheinland-(instead of Rhineland-)Pfalz. ;)
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 17:34:15


BlueGalaxy
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Minor issues-
Southern Irealnd spelt wrong (you spelt souithern)
Benelux spelt wrong (you spelt beneleux)
Podunavlje and sofia missing connection
and in case you forgot or something-"unnamed" bonus in Western Balkans
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 18:52:37


Major Risk 
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Thanks Blue Galaxy and Gnullbegg for spellings ect.

Ukraine is now done however I'm not sure on bonus values yet, so could people please give there input.

Also I have created a super bonus for Ukraine, UK and Germany **BUT** they are set to 0 so only those who want it can override the bonus values.

Map is [here](http://WarLight.net/SinglePlayer.aspx?PreviewMap=13020).
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 19:07:14


BlueGalaxy
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Central switzerland and western austria missing connection? sorry, didnt see before xD
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 19:24:47

dragonnoodle
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I just noticed that thuringen is missing three connections.
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 19:32:22


BlueGalaxy
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if u scroll up a bit, Major Risk mentions about it, the same thing with Hessen too ;)
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 19:35:35


BlueGalaxy
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Oh, he ficxed hessen, i see what you mean now dragonnoodle
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 20:24:51


Major Risk 
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BlueGalaxy I can fix the connections of Hessen and Thuringen but there is still a "Ghost Territory" there that has the same connections as the former "Hessen-Thuringen" combined territory I made but then got rid off. I cannot select it nor can I deselect the connections from other "apparently" connecting territories. ;/ Also I cannot deselect it from the East Germany bonus, so its says you have to get 6 territories when I only intended on 5 and only 5 are seen. I can see the mid-point of this "Ghost Territory" but cannot change it. Any help on this guys?

I have now added Southern/Central/Northern France bonuses. Next will be spain...
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 20:56:39


{rp} Clavicus Vile 
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The same thing happened to me once. I found out that I had accidently made a duplicate territory and it was hidden behind one of the others, that was the cause for the ghost spot.
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 21:06:43


BlueGalaxy
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I have no idea on the ghost territory, sorry, have never attempted a map before xD

But I think that the super bonuses are a good idea, they make a difference and make a more original idea when compared to Troll's Europe map. I would suggest not giving the super bonuses too much value or else they would ruin any game played on it; if the super bonus value is high and you get a super bonus before other players, you will probably win :/

For the zeros, maybe you could make both of them a single bonus worth one? Like a **Cyprus and Moldova** bonus? I know that they are far apart so it might not work too well, but they arent *too* far apart, and giving them a value would give an incentive to get the territory?
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 21:14:38


BlueGalaxy
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There are other maps like that, where they have two territories separate that make a bonus; like the 'World Big' map (paraguay and uruguay, although, they aren't that far apart) and other maps too
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 21:19:38


Major Risk 
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@Bluegalaxy; The super bonusses are always going to be set to 0 **so only those who want super bonuses can override the super bonuses' values.**
About Cyprus, I was considering having it part of Turkey and Greece at the same time, as it is part Turkish and Greek?

@Clavicus; Your right! Turns out it was a territory behind. I checked there before even but it was completely black and blended into the background so I must have missed it, anyways, thanks!

Update; I have done Spain and put Portugal to 4. Also I still would like feedback on Ukraine/french/Spanish bonuses for balancing. Thanks :D

The [map](http://WarLight.net/SinglePlayer.aspx?PreviewMap=13020).
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 21:21:35


BlueGalaxy
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Ahh ok, I get it now :)
EUROPE: 5/4/2012 21:26:47


BlueGalaxy
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Oh, 'unnamed' one in spain lol
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