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Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/22/2014 04:22:54


ChrisCMU 
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Yeah, i went 2-1 today and am a 1300 rating. Not sure how that works
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/22/2014 04:45:14


ChrisCMU 
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Would be nice if the app did not give errors trying to read game settings too
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/22/2014 10:31:06


Onjit
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Is there a way of seeing which of the people in the "Players Currently Joined" list are currently playing a game? Sometimes it seems like it takes forever to be joined to a game, even when there's like 5 other people online.
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/22/2014 10:33:57


hedja 
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Is there a way of seeing which of the people in the "Players Currently Joined" list are currently playing a game? Sometimes it seems like it takes forever to be joined to a game, even when there's like 5 other people online.


Just click on their names, and see who they are playing against currently. If there are 5 people in the ladder, a game will be made straight-away as only even numbers of players can be in games at 1 time, but if not just check everyone.
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/22/2014 11:53:21


Cheery Dog
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There may be people playing that had since left the ladder though.
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/22/2014 14:04:54


{rp} GeneralGror
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Also, probably, due to the fact that you have played some of them before. I heard it was 20 hours or so before you can replay someone. I haven't checked, though.
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/22/2014 19:43:21

Heyheuhei 
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Please add real-time ladder to dashboard
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/22/2014 19:52:11


[REGL] Pooh 
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Maybe a toggle button on My Games, Join/Leave Real-Time Ladder.

Also, 5 min Direct, 10 min auto... that doesn't mean people can't boot at 5 min, just allows for flexibility.
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/22/2014 22:14:04


Math Wolf 
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Don't confuse the mean and the rating.
Rating = Mean - 3*Standard Deviation, that explains all.

Aren't we supposed to start with a rating of 1500? http://warlight.net/LadderTeam?LadderTeamID=4312 I won one game and it shows I've gone down to 1403 how does that work?

Your mean starts now at 2000 (see Fizzer's post, 2nd post on this page), your standard deviation at 500 and your rating at 500 (2000-3*500). Both your mean and rating increased after your win (the standard deviation mostly decreases after the first 100 or so games).

Also some players still seem to be starting with a rating of 0. (unless the ones with 1500 are wrong now?)

Which ones, I don't see any?

Yeah, i went 2-1 today and am a 1300 rating. Not sure how that works

Your mean is 2169.94 (higher than the start of 2000) and the standard deviation 230.81. Consequently, your rating equals 1478 (2169.94 - 3*230.81 and rounded). Both are higher than the starts (2000 for the mean, 500 for the rating)
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/22/2014 22:24:50

Hennns
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Math Wolf, if you look in the games under the message from host it say players have a rating of 0 . For example in the game Cro posted. I don't know if this is reflected elsewhere tough.
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/22/2014 23:21:33


hedja 
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I'm a bit confused by this new rating, I thought I understood it but what math wolf says seems not to be the case.

Heyheuhei and I are both on 1749 points, worked out like this:
HHH - 2107.67 - 3*119.5 = 1749.17
me - 2107.37 - 3*119.56 = 1748.69

I understand we are on the same points, after rounding, but he should be ranked higher than me, not the other way round, no?

EDIT: this is what is was before my other game finished, isn't the same now. but those were the numbers which were there before and I was ranked above HHH.

Edited 3/22/2014 23:34:21
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/23/2014 14:33:29


Beren Erchamion 
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@Pooh, fizzer has always had direct boot and auto boot be the same, so that people can't get a rating boost by being a quick booter.
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/23/2014 15:03:09


sasha grey
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remove ffa ffs
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/23/2014 15:28:25


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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No don't! Keep it how it is it's fine :D
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/23/2014 17:16:24


Master Turtle 
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And Math Wolf the formula you wrote down doesn't equal my rating......


Edit: That equals my True Mean Skill not my rating I am asking how the rating is configured.....

Edited 3/23/2014 17:18:05
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/23/2014 19:05:41


hedja 
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Rating = True Mean Skill - 3*Standard Deviation

EDIT: His formula gives you rating, he doesn't mention how to work out your True Mean Skill...

Edited 3/23/2014 19:22:04
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/23/2014 23:38:20


Math Wolf 
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Math Wolf, if you look in the games under the message from host it say players have a rating of 0 . For example in the game Cro posted. I don't know if this is reflected elsewhere tough.

Possibly before the change to 2000 (when the mean started at 1500, the rating would start at 1500-3*500 = 0)?
If it's not that, I assume that Fizzer still kept the default 0 for players without games. Remark that in the normal ladder, a player without games also shows as having a rating of 0 although the default is 1500 there.

Heyheuhei and I are both on 1749 points, worked out like this:
HHH - 2107.67 - 3*119.5 = 1749.17
me - 2107.37 - 3*119.56 = 1748.69

I understand we are on the same points, after rounding, but he should be ranked higher than me, not the other way round, no?

Very strange indeed, I have no explanation for that. If ties are broken the same way as the normal ladder, it should indeed have been the other way around.

@ The Cro:
the explanation on how to get the Mean is pretty complicated, I you have some knowledge about statistics and Elo, see these links for the exact computations.

http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/trueskill/details.aspx
http://www.moserware.com/2010/03/computing-your-skill.html
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1083108/Moserware/Skill/The%20Math%20Behind%20TrueSkill.pdf
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/24/2014 02:08:55


Master Turtle 
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@math wolf thanks
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/24/2014 16:30:59


Timinator • apex 
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Mulva Not Ranked with a rating of 1157. Mulva's profile
TrueSkill Mean: 1591.21
TrueSkill Standard Deviation: 144.75
This player is in their provisional period and will not receive a rank until their TrueSkill standard deviation is under 145 (usually about 15 games)












?????????
Aaand there's a new ladder: 3/24/2014 17:03:38

Fizzer 
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If you don't play a game for three days you lose your rank and revert to Not Ranked until you play again. The message displayed is wrong, it should say "This player hasn't played in 3 days" in place of the "std dev must be < 145". I'll fix this in the next update.
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