well this is my logic basically. I see why voodoo is mad, but heres my main problem. I have a hard time feeling sympathetic to 2 things.

#1 I have a hard time feeling sympathetic to game stallers. Sure I see your mad because Fizzer booted you without warning, but your gaming the system. Its kinda like karma

#2 I have a hard time felling sympathetic to alts in the ladder. Putting alts in the ladder is the closest you can get to cheating without cheating. Even if your putting an alt in the 1v1 ladder when your main account is not in it, you are bypassing the fact that you have to wait 3 months in order to get a fresh start on the ladder. That way, you don't have to wait 3 months, and you can just switch to putting an alt in the ladder, with makes your 2x as likely to achieve #1 over time. And voodoo and Dharma are the same account, which is making the owner of the alts (I won't disclose this information) twice as likely to win the season, even if they dont end up with a game together.

Well thats my 2 cents, because Pulsey was mad that i didnt come in with an argument, theres my argument]

EDIT: i reread some previous posts and BOOM haha you just got told by Fizzer hhaah

Which brings a good point, obviously Fizzer couldnt let you get away with it. If he let you get away with it, then everyone would think its okay to do that, and then the seasonal ladder would be no fun. Way to go Fizzer!

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1. Mathwolf, I waited a day. Fizzer could have replied to my email and nobody would have known what happened. I didnt work overtime for the first time in a week. I slept immediately after dinner. So I had energy and time. But I stayed up too late (3am) talking about this. Today I suffer. (I am at work now and not doing what I should be doing.) Tbis is why I took a vacation, so my life wouldn't suffer. I said tbis already. Your logic would serve you well to read before commenting.

2. Some people think that in 1 game I made an effort and in 3 I did not. I think they are all the same. 3 opponents stalled to start my games. My work became too busy at the same time for all 4 games. I didnt do anytbing differently in those four games. It is simply that 1 game started sooner than the other 3. They are equal in my eyes. I made the same attempt to play. But I cant control a stalled ladder, stalling opponennts or my work schedule. I said this already.

3. TWM, Dharma is not me. And I dont like the 1v1 ladder enough to play tbe way you suggest.

4. I did not cheat. I followed the rules. The games were won on picks. I ran out of time to finish tbe games (stalled ladder, 3 stalling opponents, work/family obligations). I took a vacation to bave more time for work/family. 12 games was too much. I would have needed 50 days of vacation to finish my games. I have had a day here and there when I had time to play. But how do I play multiday games if I not able to take turns in 12 games within one hour when I am too busy for 3 to 5 days? Thatis, if vacations were counted in days and not 5 vacations and if there was more than an hour to take the turns when a vacation ends, I would have been able to finish my ladder games or at least get to turn 7. Limited by the vacatio system and my work/fMiamily obligations, my beSt choice isto go on vacation until I can actually deal with tbw one hour limit and the thojght needed to play a dozen games.

5. Gaming the systwm is n9t the same as cheating. Everyone games the system one way or another. Force join? Play the reinforcement before the season ends? Postpone losses? Play faster when winning and slower when losing? These are all ways to game the system in the strictest sense of the phrase. How did I cheAt? Did I hack an account? Did I play multiple accounts in the ladder? No. I followed the rules. I attempted to play my games as fast as I could. I spent time on picking to win the gAme. I won on picks. Based on the history, those games were clearly over. I dont lose games with such great positional advantages and intel and accurate predixtions. I cant control a stalling ladder (I contacted Fizzer looking for new games), stalling opponents (I asked zi ik to play realtime), the disadvantages of the vacation sgstem , or my work schedule or when my wife visits me.

6. Given when the season endS And how bacations work, I knew I didnt have time to finish my games. Based on knowledge And picks, I knew I Won on picks. Games were over in my mind. If I have only one turn to play before I go on vacation and the vame is won on picks, what should I have done?

7. So far, nobody has given A logicAl analysis of my picks, adv@ntages, countwrs, positioning, etc. to clAim I would not have won. Isnt thiS a tacit confirmation of my argument?

8. If the game is over, when is it permissible to deploy full and not attack to preserve a win? I won on picks. Play out those games and they all surender. If I have tbe game won on turn 4, 7, 11,20, 100, whatever, can I just go to the tiebreaker and save myself the trouble of wasting time mKing moves that dont change the strategic balance of the game?

9. If a panel of 10 top players were to do a fair, balanced and detailed analysis of all games deckded by tiebreakers in this season, judging based on position, income, tiebreakers, etc., I guaruntee that all my games would be classified more favorably than at least 40% of the games if the question asked were "Did the winner have the advantage and was he likely to win?" (Assuming I were a winner. This begs the question, if I was so confident that I would win on play but only have one turn before I finish my season, does it even matter what I do with my armies?

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Richard sharp level crap .......... how can u have a go aT any one for playing the clock ??? u r in a ladeder game with me and u take ur turn every 2 days 23 hours ish ,,, and b4 any says owt daft he sends me a message every day or so ... he plays so player surrenseder cos they cnt be bothered to wait for the noob

ppl often take side emotionally before going thr the logical thinking

p.s. there is a different gaming the system by delay and by deployed-vacation. The culture already accepted the force join delay, and the culture still prefer to treat deployed-vacation as crossing the line. Dont win the heart of the crowd by logic, it wont work.

I read a thread where someone( anonymous account) claimed the duke of Ben won the FFA ladder by gaming the system, it seems to have been a similar strategy to voodoos case from what I read, but I can't find the thread. Cn someone recall it?

Edited 3/15/2014 05:12:54

Lol for once lawlz has a point, if you're a good player, you should be able to win games without trickery

Edited 3/15/2014 05:42:29

If you have that much time replying, please commit order in http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=5594109 ......you have been stalling for 20 days.... if you know you're gonna lose, please surrender

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There is a little problem with vacation. When you commit in one game you have to commit also in all others games within one hour or you get booted. Ofc you can immediately enter another vacation if you have one.

P.S. Voodoo you can just prepare your moves in all games in different browser windows and after you are satisfied with them just commit in each one. So no need to made moves in one hour. You can use your entire vacation for that :)

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TLDR,

But is everyone here that supports Voodoo one of his alts?

Also, this likely reveals that Fizzer can see behind fog during games to know what Voodoo was doing.

Next, if the season was still going on, I think a warning would have been appropriate, such as, if the games are force surrendered we will not let these wins stand as it violates the terms of use, find time to take your turns.

Finally, I've never thought the force end was appropriate for a season. Who's to say that the previous season must have a bow on it and be sitting under the tree before the next one starts?
Let it ride and not allow vacations during ladder games. This whole debacle could have been remedied with a few simple settings.

Pooh

PS: Local Deployment changes a lot. Games go longer and strategies change. Forcing a season to end early after creating the seasonal ladder with Big USA 3.1k and 1 pick each would be kinda silly. Also, just because he stacked turn 1 means he lost. Local Deployment expansion changes a lot and a cursory analysis to the tactics isn't enough to the trained eye of a pre-local deployment setting.

Okay, I'm having trouble reconciling why:

1) A player in clear violation of the stated rules is allowed to be top of the points earned and players levels lists:

http://warlight.net/Profile?p=4421801251
http://warlight.net/Forum/Thread?ThreadID=34280
http://warlight.net/Points

2) Extraordinary measures with no warning are taken to force-surrender a player that is playing within all of the game mechanics and stated rules.

Taking the logic of 1 to the extreme, what is stopping a player from creating 1000 alts, spamming the ladder, and playing to win against everyone else while giving easy wins to the main account?

Taking the logic of 2 to the extreme, every season should examined to see if the "Right" person won games adjudicated per the end of season mechanics.

Per 2, someone that played hard the whole 40+ turns of the game and sees that the end of season (EOS) mechanics are going to kick in before its over could defend and preserve armies and win via EOS mechanics whereas the correct winning tactic without EOS would be to attack.

From what I understand, voodoo tried to game the system in order to show fizzer that it was messed up. However, Fizzer must have had his eye on Voodoo because this is not near the first time this has happened in the seasonal ladder, and yet this is the first time a punishment has been given. I think that the system does have to be changed, because fizzer won't be able to stop everyone from gaming the system.

Some possibilities: no vacations allowed, allow the season to go another 15 days while starting the new one which will allow nearly all games to finish, 2 day autoboot is also a possibility but probably would not be popular.

I think something has to change on the seasonal ladder to allow less gaming of the system.

JSA: "Some possibilities: no vacations allowed, allow the season to go another 15 days while starting the new one which will allow nearly all games to finish, 2 day autoboot is also a possibility but probably would not be popular.

I think something has to change on the seasonal ladder to allow less gaming of the system."

All good points. No vacations should be a given for a seasonal ladder. Going for 15 days more works, could be longer too. And yes, 2 days autoboot could work too, but would also cut into the participation somewhat I suspect. Of course leaving timeouted games for adjudication is possible, but I think that is a workload Fizzer would not want, not to mention the potential drama from people who disagree with his decisions.

I did play one recent season, but the end season scramble to convince people to not stall in an attempt to steal games really sucked the fun out of it for me. I would play more seasonal ladders if it weren't for the obvious problems with the season end.

Fizzer could also make it very clear what is allowed and what isn't, and then we all play to game the system within that frame. But that doesn't seem too likely either, so we're left with different perspectives and standards, which will inevitably lead to arguments and disappointments.

we dont care anymore