Why is this still happening?


GUI, please shut up.


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Hellbender's ego reaches a new high

way to go fizzer :D

I agree on the 3 auto-surr where you only deployed 5 and didn't bother playing, refering to the wiki:

http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Seasonal_Ladder

Players are expected to make a reasonable effort to finish a game before the season ends. If you try to intentionally win a game by force-finish that you would have otherwise lost, the win will be taken away from you.

You didn't make any effort to finish the games, so taking those off from you seems valid

but the 4th game http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=5714290
you played it regulary until you took your vacation, personally, i think that auto-surr was too much

I gamed the system to preserve my victories

You cannot say when you have won or not, don't think you are some genius guy that never makes mistakes, misreads an opponent or who loses an advantage which he thought he had after picks...

Man, are you serious? You won few games with players with lower ranks and when it comes to games with better players you pushed warlight's possibilities to "fair cheating" to the limits, delayed games as much as it is possible using many vacations and took advantage on specific rules to determining a winner in the end of the season. It's highly unfair to play like that. Even if you thought that you're going to win it is really unfair to play like "I have already won, so I will delay all game and play to be determined as a winner thanks to those funny rules apllied when ending a season and not give my opponents a chance to fight".
I don't have words which can describe how I consider you as a cheater and unfair player. If you don't have time to play warlight simply don't play it and deal with that warlight demands time. I know this and that WL is hard to combine with studying so I play only in ~3 games at this momment. And magically now you have time to write so many posts in this subject when you should be sooo busy. It is your fault that you don't have time and if this is an obstacle to playing a real game in seasonal ladder you should surrender, not mock seasonal ladder force your opponents to losing by this fishy strategy.

Btw, such coincidence - you were so busy earlier, but immediately after being 'booted' by Fizzer you can spend half a day complaining here.

Perfectly stated, can't believe only one person brought this up.
This invalidates all arguments you bring to the table. The season is still ongoing.

but the 4th game http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=5714290
you played it regulary until you took your vacation, personally, i think that auto-surr was too much

Yeah I have to agree. That one should've been taken to the tiebreaker imo. What's done is done though.

If I may, it is good that there is some punishment for gaming the system, however everyone should know it is not the bigger issue. 1v1 ladder stalling has been an issue for years now, no punishment was ever implemented there since the boundaries of what is stalling and what is not would be arbitrary. I don't suppose Fizzer is able to monitor all the games in any seasonal ladder, so I'd expect that to happen again.

The bigger issue obviously is that the system can be gamed and when it can be gamed, eventually it will be. True ELO would be a viable solution, but it takes time to implement. I'll repeat some old ideas how to not allow gaming the system:

1v1 ladder, rank players only after 20 chronologically first games played (would not allow swapping losses for new wins)
2v2 ladder same, but with 15 (probably extend expiration in both)

Seasonal ladder is trickier, but the natural rating inflation throughout the season comes to rescue. Just implement a system that'd promote activity during a season, for example if the season has 15 games, make a small cutoff after 10 games and only allow to play 2 at a time then max, people that would want to get additional games due to natural rating inflation. Probably extend season by a week after the cutoff time. Or even easier, do not allow/limit vacation in seasonal ladder, if someone joins a short event like a seasonal ladder, activity should be mandatory. Making an arbitrary formula based on troops and bonuses will always allow for some abuse.

1v1 ladder, rank players only after 20 chronologically first games played (would not allow swapping losses for new wins)

But this allows gaming a different way - if I'm the current #1 and a ladder runner gets me on his 19th/20th game, I may try to drag the game out to keep first as long as possible. Especially if I'm trying to hold #1 for the longest time period.

Also, this will delay people getting on the ladder if others take vacation, even if they're not stalling.

well this is my logic basically. I see why voodoo is mad, but heres my main problem. I have a hard time feeling sympathetic to 2 things.

#1 I have a hard time feeling sympathetic to game stallers. Sure I see your mad because Fizzer booted you without warning, but your gaming the system. Its kinda like karma

#2 I have a hard time felling sympathetic to alts in the ladder. Putting alts in the ladder is the closest you can get to cheating without cheating. Even if your putting an alt in the 1v1 ladder when your main account is not in it, you are bypassing the fact that you have to wait 3 months in order to get a fresh start on the ladder. That way, you don't have to wait 3 months, and you can just switch to putting an alt in the ladder, with makes your 2x as likely to achieve #1 over time. And voodoo and Dharma are the same account, which is making the owner of the alts (I won't disclose this information) twice as likely to win the season, even if they dont end up with a game together.

Well thats my 2 cents, because Pulsey was mad that i didnt come in with an argument, theres my argument]

EDIT: i reread some previous posts and BOOM haha you just got told by Fizzer hhaah

Which brings a good point, obviously Fizzer couldnt let you get away with it. If he let you get away with it, then everyone would think its okay to do that, and then the seasonal ladder would be no fun. Way to go Fizzer!

Edited 3/15/2014 00:12:01

1. Mathwolf, I waited a day. Fizzer could have replied to my email and nobody would have known what happened. I didnt work overtime for the first time in a week. I slept immediately after dinner. So I had energy and time. But I stayed up too late (3am) talking about this. Today I suffer. (I am at work now and not doing what I should be doing.) Tbis is why I took a vacation, so my life wouldn't suffer. I said tbis already. Your logic would serve you well to read before commenting.

2. Some people think that in 1 game I made an effort and in 3 I did not. I think they are all the same. 3 opponents stalled to start my games. My work became too busy at the same time for all 4 games. I didnt do anytbing differently in those four games. It is simply that 1 game started sooner than the other 3. They are equal in my eyes. I made the same attempt to play. But I cant control a stalled ladder, stalling opponennts or my work schedule. I said this already.

3. TWM, Dharma is not me. And I dont like the 1v1 ladder enough to play tbe way you suggest.

4. I did not cheat. I followed the rules. The games were won on picks. I ran out of time to finish tbe games (stalled ladder, 3 stalling opponents, work/family obligations). I took a vacation to bave more time for work/family. 12 games was too much. I would have needed 50 days of vacation to finish my games. I have had a day here and there when I had time to play. But how do I play multiday games if I not able to take turns in 12 games within one hour when I am too busy for 3 to 5 days? Thatis, if vacations were counted in days and not 5 vacations and if there was more than an hour to take the turns when a vacation ends, I would have been able to finish my ladder games or at least get to turn 7. Limited by the vacatio system and my work/fMiamily obligations, my beSt choice isto go on vacation until I can actually deal with tbw one hour limit and the thojght needed to play a dozen games.

5. Gaming the systwm is n9t the same as cheating. Everyone games the system one way or another. Force join? Play the reinforcement before the season ends? Postpone losses? Play faster when winning and slower when losing? These are all ways to game the system in the strictest sense of the phrase. How did I cheAt? Did I hack an account? Did I play multiple accounts in the ladder? No. I followed the rules. I attempted to play my games as fast as I could. I spent time on picking to win the gAme. I won on picks. Based on the history, those games were clearly over. I dont lose games with such great positional advantages and intel and accurate predixtions. I cant control a stalling ladder (I contacted Fizzer looking for new games), stalling opponents (I asked zi ik to play realtime), the disadvantages of the vacation sgstem , or my work schedule or when my wife visits me.

6. Given when the season endS And how bacations work, I knew I didnt have time to finish my games. Based on knowledge And picks, I knew I Won on picks. Games were over in my mind. If I have only one turn to play before I go on vacation and the vame is won on picks, what should I have done?

7. So far, nobody has given A logicAl analysis of my picks, adv@ntages, countwrs, positioning, etc. to clAim I would not have won. Isnt thiS a tacit confirmation of my argument?

8. If the game is over, when is it permissible to deploy full and not attack to preserve a win? I won on picks. Play out those games and they all surender. If I have tbe game won on turn 4, 7, 11,20, 100, whatever, can I just go to the tiebreaker and save myself the trouble of wasting time mKing moves that dont change the strategic balance of the game?

9. If a panel of 10 top players were to do a fair, balanced and detailed analysis of all games deckded by tiebreakers in this season, judging based on position, income, tiebreakers, etc., I guaruntee that all my games would be classified more favorably than at least 40% of the games if the question asked were "Did the winner have the advantage and was he likely to win?" (Assuming I were a winner. This begs the question, if I was so confident that I would win on play but only have one turn before I finish my season, does it even matter what I do with my armies?

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Richard sharp level crap .......... how can u have a go aT any one for playing the clock ??? u r in a ladeder game with me and u take ur turn every 2 days 23 hours ish ,,, and b4 any says owt daft he sends me a message every day or so ... he plays so player surrenseder cos they cnt be bothered to wait for the noob

ppl often take side emotionally before going thr the logical thinking

p.s. there is a different gaming the system by delay and by deployed-vacation. The culture already accepted the force join delay, and the culture still prefer to treat deployed-vacation as crossing the line. Dont win the heart of the crowd by logic, it wont work.

I read a thread where someone( anonymous account) claimed the duke of Ben won the FFA ladder by gaming the system, it seems to have been a similar strategy to voodoos case from what I read, but I can't find the thread. Cn someone recall it?

Edited 3/15/2014 05:12:54

Lol for once lawlz has a point, if you're a good player, you should be able to win games without trickery

Edited 3/15/2014 05:42:29

If you have that much time replying, please commit order in http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=5594109 ......you have been stalling for 20 days.... if you know you're gonna lose, please surrender

Edited 3/15/2014 12:44:41

There is a little problem with vacation. When you commit in one game you have to commit also in all others games within one hour or you get booted. Ofc you can immediately enter another vacation if you have one.

P.S. Voodoo you can just prepare your moves in all games in different browser windows and after you are satisfied with them just commit in each one. So no need to made moves in one hour. You can use your entire vacation for that :)

Edited 3/15/2014 13:29:55