That's how it was set up. Ethics panel deals with rule breakings, but improvements/rule changes for the future go through TBest.

Christmas keeps on giving. (we aren't even in December yet)

@TBest What time during Christmas are you going to gift us the decision?

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Who is the MVP of cheating? Will Ethics panel give a trophy for this?

You're assuming a so-called student clan can even generate the skill needed to get into A! Challenge accepted.

It wouldn't be an issue at all if our competition was good enough to prevent us from getting there ;)

What happens if lynx demotes?
Do they stay in A because 101st is in B? Does 101st drop down to the qualifiers? What if lynx demotes and 101st promotes? Can lynx claim 101sts spot? Does 101st hold precedence in A until they demote? What constitutes two clans not being able to play together? If a clan ends the promotion process do they both get allowed to be in the same division. What if two clans allow travel freely between the two clans?

This opens up a Pandora's box of questions. Can we really answer them all?

i'd say feeder clans can't be in same division to prevent any fraudulent games. its not a punishment, but a preventative measure, that one should expect when joining a "feeder" clan. it's obviously not the same thing as the mother clan, (Lynx steals away many of the best 101st, Masters steal away many of the best at App) and shouldn't be allowed to compete on the same stage imo

To answer that we need an ethics panel. To prevent prejudice of that ethics panel we need a panel to control the ethics panel. I'd call them useless panel 2.0

Who's gonna audit the audit panel though?

i think everyone would be happier with an audience between all of those involved, easier to come to an agreement

101st is the designated feeder clan. Lynx is the alpha clan. 101st/Lynx should never be in the same division. If Lynx demotes from B, Than 101st moves down to C in this scenario. Two clans with very close links to the point they see each other as "one clan" is a joke if we look in the interest of competition this constitutes them not being able to play with each other. The free travel concern is addressed by the Clan League rules in terms of transfers.

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@Plat, What happens if feeder clan and alpah clan are both in the lowest division? (or joins CL at the same time)

Can a clan have multiple feeder clans? Yeah, it's a bit to easy to find hypothetical's that i don't have the answer too. It is also not ideal to have both feeder and alpha clan in the same Division of course. Nor to artificially hold a clan back.

TBest? We both know he's not going to make a judgement on that, didn't he say he just wants to keep the league running

Mh, yeah that seems hard enough, so I should probably focus on that. And outsource all the other stuff.

Wow Masters really got knocked on the nelly. I hope no brown envelopes from LYNX™ were involved.

no ofc not. That would be the same as admitting that they are not good enough to beat masters

What if lynx demotes from B?
Why should clans in the qualifiers have to face an upper B level team?

What if 101st stopped the promotion process?
Should lynx players be allowed to go down and play for 101st then?

You're creating more problems by introducing this rule, in which case this never happened?

Also since outlaws took 101sts place in CL9 shouldn't they move down to B, since that slot belonged to a feeder clan?

@TBest

"@Plat, What happens if feeder clan and alpha clan are both in the lowest division? (or joins CL at the same time)"

Never will happen because of an Alpha making a Feeder clan, the Alpha would need to be in a place of power to afford to create a feeder clan. That's basic clan principle laws.

"Can a clan have multiple feeder clans? Yeah, it's a bit to easy to find hypothetical's that I don't have the answer too. It is also not ideal to have both feeder and alpha clan in the same Division of course. Nor to artificially hold a clan back. "

Another issue for another day but if there are triplets being made, I think that would be a strict line crossed for many players.

"Mh, yeah that seems hard enough, so I should probably focus on that. And outsource all the other stuff."

Management Panel to be formed?

@Sluttyfatginger

"What if lynx demotes from B?"

It's a very unrealistic scenario especially if you consider how the clan structures are. I've suggested 101st goes down a division. Which leads to your next trap question...

Why should clans in the qualifiers have to face an upper B level team?"

They shouldn't that's why there's an argument for feeder clans to be banned from this league. This is the consequence of allowing feeder clans play CL. This isn't the issue I'm talking about, I'm simply saying 101st/Lynx shouldn't be in the same division. If you disagree than vouch for removal of feeder clans altogether.

"You're creating more problems by introducing this rule, in which case this never happened?"

It's hypothetical but I rather argue for a rule change brought in now than vouch for one being brought in when 101st promotes to A and it becomes a huge problem. If I did that, this would be a massive emotionally drilled thread of angry 101st players.

"Also since outlaws took 101sts place in CL9 shouldn't they move down to B, since that slot belonged to a feeder clan?"

No, because that was Outlaw's spot and a factor of that decision was nobody really wanted a 101st/Lynx collusion in A.

So if 101st stopped the "promotion process" you'd be OK with them playing in the same division?

Ultimately you are making a rule that is not only easy to circumvent, but also makes claims off the basis of "oh, they'll probably collude"

Doesn't seem like a fair assessment to me. As it's pretty obvious that:

A - Any clans can collude
B - Several clans have tight relationships, there's a chance of collusion there.
C - Rules would have to be needlessly complicated to achieve this.
D - In such a small league such a rule would be harmful to the league.

"101st is the designated feeder clan. Lynx is the alpha clan. 101st/Lynx should never be in the same division. If Lynx demotes from B, Than 101st moves down to C in this scenario. Two clans with very close links to the point they see each other as "one clan" is a joke if we look in the interest of competition this constitutes them not being able to play with each other. The free travel concern is addressed by the Clan League rules in terms of transfers."

If 101st grows fast enough that they outpace the talent leeching from the parent clan, 101st should not be penalized for that at all. That's an accomplishment, not a sin.

You're welcome to keep us out of A by defeating us, if you can't that's not on us.

In the event that a mentor/student clan conglomerate were to have both in the same league, it would be fair to require that both clans of the conglomerate sign agreements that

A) Both teams being fielded have separate management during the season, and
B) That all games must be fully fair and independent, with understanding that there would be heavier scrutiny, and heavier penalties, towards potential manipulation.

However. If you try to bar a clan from competing because it has the merit to do so, you're doing yourself a worse disservice than cheating on the CL yourself.