Tbest is making me hungry for a steak.

And I've started a wiki page for a band a long time ago, and by far the most difficult part of it had to do with properly citing sources. Wikipedia is very anal about this (despite some popular belief) and moderators are running around like crazy reverting edits and requesting proper sourcing.

I don't see why a warlight wiki page should be even close to as difficult to start since there's probably not nearly as much information you'd need to work with and source, but I dunno. It's just a small indie game so there wouldn't be nearly as much demand for loads of superfluous info.

Edited 9/6/2018 03:44:14

Yeah. Warzone isn't a radical feminist topic so the page will be held to scrutiny.

Radical Feminist ideology has a lot greater impact on the world than warzone. Also, no need to inject politics into this.

It was a joke lad

I'm also down to seeing how much external information and sources we can find.

I'd also like to note that those guidelines are for "Stand-Alone pages", meaning that Warzone would get its own page.
To get mentioned on another page requires far less external sources, I assume - i.e., get Warzone on the list of Indie game developers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_indie_game_developers), a compilation of strategy games (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_real-time_strategy_video_games), or a mention under the "Risk clones" on the Risk Game page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_(game)) etc.
It's not much, but might be a good start.

Edited 9/6/2018 06:11:36

It's already been taken down for good for lack of notability, clearly the page doesn't follow the wiki guidelines. The guidelines refer to trivial vs nontrivial sources for the topic. Getting mentioned in a wiki page is mostly trivial. A nontrivial source has to go into detail explaining the topic; the guidelines say that the reader has to be able to learn about the subject well enough through the secondary source without doing any original research. Basically, the secondary sources have to have a description. Just being mentioned in a list isn't a description. There are a lot of topics mentioned on the wiki that don't have their own pages because they are too trivial to warrant their own articles but relevant enough to warrant a mention in a greater article.

Edited 9/6/2018 06:27:24

As noted above, we used to have a wikipedia page but they removed it due to not meeting their notability guidelines.

The real problem is that the press won't write about this game. Wikipedia puts lots of emphasis on articles written by independent sources.

I've tried contacting the press -- I once spent more than a week reading all the guidelines about how to contact the press, and writing personalized messages to hundreds of them. It was very time consuming. And they all ignored me. So I never bothered trying again.

Alright, external (notable and trustworthy) sources.
I can find some. It's not the New York Times, and I've skipped all the blog posts on Wordpress by 14-year olds.
The following look rather valid:

Killscreen
"Founded by a former Wall Street Journal culture reporter", “the TED of videogames.” (This one was deemed a good source on the previous Wikipedia page):
Overview and description: https://killscreen.com/articles/warlight-tweaks-the-rules-of-war/
Review: https://killscreen.com/articles/review-warlight/

AV-club
"An online newspaper featuring [...] articles that examine [...] games and other elements of pop culture media" (according to AV-clubs own Wikipedia page).
Overview and review: https://games.avclub.com/november-1-2010-1798223519 (scroll down a bit)

Ghacks
Ghacks is a technology blog that was founded by [...] a journalist from Germany who is interested in all things technology. Five authors and more than 230,000 user comments. (According to own site).
Overview and review: https://www.ghacks.net/2011/11/26/warlight-risk-like-game-with-advanced-options/

Digital Trends
Owner "chosen as finalist for EY's Entrepeneur of the Year and named Portland Business Journal's "40 under 40"". 100 employees and 30 million global monthly unique visitors. (According to own site).
Overview and recommendation: https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/where-to-play-risk-online/ (scroll all the way down).

Appgrooves
co-founded by [...] former CEO at Crowdstar, "over 100,000 companies actively using our solutions" (According to own site).
Out of 19k reviews Warzone has a rating of 3.9/5 (It also claims 500k downloads, just for good measure).
https://appgrooves.com/app/warzone-risk-by-warzonecom-llc


I also find the The AI Games contest to be interesting, and possibly a valid Wikipedia source to show "notability" of the game, since there are external companies (and external money) involved. I'm not personally familier with the contests, though.
http://theaigames.com/competitions/warlight-ai-challenge
http://theaigames.com/competitions/warlight-ai-challenge-2

Edited 9/6/2018 07:45:10

Oh hey I remember the ai challenge from way back. That was neat

Thanks for finding all that info btw Murk. I think stuff like this will be a great start for possible sources for the game. And seeing how many pages on wikipedia only have like 1 or 2 sources, I think with these sources, this can work too

I was also thinking, weren't a few youtube videos made showing how to play different maps? I remember seeing one on the mdl page (which btw if we were to mention that we can easily put as a source and since it is technically not first-party as it's a CLOT made by players) which can also help. I see it as a good way to add more sources and to cite specific concepts in the game.

God now I feel like I'm making college essays again trying to find "sources" XD

A few WZ related YT channels:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEGGmGZLoDeCyc12kd1a-8A
Benoit's channel, though nothing new added for one year, still very useful videos for learning there .

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmyZTaqmKKYD1CS_ApJL9rg
ps's channel, too bad not very active on WZ recently

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9zcmQOygNv2gdaPyitWomA
Pichu's channel with WZ related cartoons.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT8s3xNFUKUUeUoI1m4mUkg
Myth0nian's channel , newest videos are 2 years old though

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIWyI6U_rnunILdlPaFZS8w
Phakh Gokhn's channel, fairky new, only two WZ related videos so far, but should be more in the future.

Was unable to find Kcsrag, looks his account is not present anymore.

im willing to help with thing if they are needed

ok

that book certainly makes good use of this site's fame

We can also link a few twitch stuff as well. Like for example the WGL things.

I think the best way to help is to contact members of gaming press and get them to write articles. This is what we need.

I don't think Wikipedia considers YouTube or Twitch credible sources for anything. It has to be actual press sites. We need sources that talk about Warzone (not old articles that talk about WarLight).

Get a few articles about this and we're in business.

I think it helps a lot coming from players, too. When I try to submit Warzone to gaming review sites, it's self-promotion and they ignore me. If you guys do it, it means more.

>that book certainly makes good use of this site's fame

ikr, Fizzer should be collecting royalties from the author of "Warlight"

Just wanted to bump this since I realized we had the Berlin open. Perhaps something was mentioned there in a local newspaper or something?

Seems interesting.

Edited 9/9/2018 19:44:23

Just wanted to bump this since I realized we had the Berlin open. Perhaps something was mentioned there in a local newspaper or something?

I kinda doubt that Berlin a newspaper reports about some dudes playing an online browser game.

However to not be to desctuctive, here is the risk Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_(game). WarLight used to have a small mention there which got deleted without discussion if I recall correctly. I'm pretty sure if we have a halfway active Wikipedia committer here (not someone who just creates an account to publish about Warzone) he should have no problem getting Warzone placed back there again.

Just wanted to bump this since I realized we had the Berlin open. Perhaps something was mentioned there in a local newspaper or something?

That was just 10 guys meeting up in a bar, so really doubt it xD