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Snags with W"Z": 11/13/2017 23:22:03


Жұқтыру
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So a lot of us hate this. No offence, the clan of WL Staff is pretty good, and I don't want to tell them how to do their job but it seems they need a few pointers.

So, let's not sound stupid and just say it sucks and then list like 3 things (since the things that're bad with this are really starting to be uncountable), let's make a whole list, I will add on to the list as posts are given. If I'm wrong on any these, also feel free to right me.

Major:
  • WebGL is quite slow (as opposed to the standalone version)
  • No opening of new tabs (middle-clicking)
  • Long loading time to start up
  • Though not a downgrade, this is still a great disappointment: mods are fully limited to only members (gl finding a game). That's just bad for the whole ecosystem, and i was considering coming out of retirement for it.
  • Also not a downgrade: quickmatch only works on 30 templates instead of having a rating for whatever template you want to play on. Some of us like heterodox templates. Playing some custom scenari would be nice.

Minor:
  • Open seat prerequisites are now much less customisable
    • No win percentage prerequisites in anything but 1a1 (sure it's not fully dependent on you but there will still be some correlation if you are a bad team player)
    • Average move speed removed (you can have 0% bootrate if all your games are 100day boots)
    • Number of games player is in (don't want them to pan out too many games)
    • Number of games completed (I personally used this loads, as you can level up many ways - getting achievements or playing singleplayer)
    • 1v1 ladder rankings (probably a better way of determining things than 1a1 winrates)
    • Account age (for the nostalgia and yo)
  • Voids many userscripts - a bit irksome and avoidable, considering the only reason they glitched up was because the HTML interface changed (and it didn't need to be)
  • No autogames (I especially liked the idea of the noobs, general, and advanced-category autogames)
  • Default option once you open up Quickmatch is to be invited to 1 MD game at a time. Even if you close it and don't press PLAY NOW it will still join you into games that you don't want
  • No way to see template list for Quickmatch.
  • Worse sorting of open games
    • Everything is spread out over a few pages
    • No super-fast filtration like in Dashboard
  • Terrible sound quality on WebGL (using Yandex Broswer)
  • [ hr ] tag doesn't work (on forum)
  • More than one game is "Warzone", while Warlight is the only game of its name. Harder to introduce people.

Subjective:
  • The new logo sucks. It's too cute-sy.
  • There is too much empty space on the website, everything is written too thin.
    • This goes double for profile pages.
    • Clan pages have en empty third...wth?


Edited 11/14/2017 00:28:07
Snags with W"Z": 11/13/2017 23:25:16


Thessalos54[TPBI]
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Hey, i agree with the snags, i looked at warzone but there is a filter for RT/MD

its a tiny button in the top corner of the webpage called 'filter'

i dont know why it cant be auto filtered, that would be much better
Snags with W"Z": 11/13/2017 23:30:41


knyte 
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Keyboard shortcuts seem to work for me. Which ones are breaking for you?
Snags with W"Z": 11/13/2017 23:34:56


Жұқтыру
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I actually based that off of your report of keyboard binds not working (since i hardly use them myself).
Snags with W"Z": 11/13/2017 23:39:39

TBest 
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Can't see other player's banked boot time

Try hovering over the banked boot time. It shows you the time of everyone.

"Open seat prerequisites are now much less customisable."
I believe Fizzer ran some querries to check this. Basically, all the pre-req that are removed was not being used, by anyone.

"No autogames"
Autogames are temp. back until ios app is out, I believe.

Edited 11/13/2017 23:42:52
Snags with W"Z": 11/13/2017 23:41:34

Fizzer 
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No opening of new tabs (middle-clicking)

You mean in the WebGL app, or on the website? It should still work on the website. In the WebGL app it's true that doesn't work, but it didn't in Flash either :)

Long loading time to start up

Yes, this greatly annoys me too. You can minimze it by installing FireFox nightly, on my PC I can get it down to about 4-5 seconds. I'm working on some stuff to make it even better than that.

mods are fully limited to only members

The important thing to understand about mods are that they run on the server. For this reason, a game with mods takes about 100x more resources for the server to process.

quickmatch only works on 30 templates instead of having a rating for whatever template you want to play on

Once you get to 40 wins, you can add your own template.

Can't see other player's banked boot time

Hover over the clock in the top right corner.
Snags with W"Z": 11/13/2017 23:48:04


Жұқтыру
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Good to hear.

Once you get to 40 wins, you can add your own template.


I'm not sure you understand me; I don't mean a right to vote on what templates are in the Quickmatch, but rather have the option to have seperate, 1-template Quickmatch-like ladders. Otherwise the mainstream will always dominate.

Edited 11/13/2017 23:48:20
Snags with W"Z": 11/13/2017 23:51:13

TBest 
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But you do ^ sorta. You have a rating for each template.
Snags with W"Z": 11/13/2017 23:53:08


Bane 
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i use regular firefox, but i downloaded nightly just now
Snags with W"Z": 11/13/2017 23:56:28

Fizzer 
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i downloaded nightly just now

What do you think of it? I find it impressively fast.
Snags with W"Z": 11/13/2017 23:57:51


Bane 
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i like the icon


i still need to mess around with it.
Snags with W"Z": 11/13/2017 23:57:52


Жұқтыру
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But you do ^ sorta. You have a rating for each template.


Yes but there's only that for the 30 templates everyone decides on. Great custom scenarios like these (https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=13766954) would rightfully never get voted in for strategic play, but it's still good to have a ladder for this stuff.

Edited 11/14/2017 00:00:00
Snags with W"Z": 11/14/2017 00:05:01


Bane 
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my initial Loading time on nightly in webgl was ~20 sec
Snags with W"Z": 11/14/2017 00:09:20


Master of the Dead 
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the [ hr ] tag doesn't work on the forums. I don't see a horizontal line.
Snags with W"Z": 11/14/2017 00:39:58


Bane 
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lol now nightly updated to v59
Snags with W"Z": 11/14/2017 03:45:55


Cata Cauda
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Yes, this greatly annoys me too. You can minimze it by installing FireFox nightly, on my PC I can get it down to about 4-5 seconds. I'm working on some stuff to make it even better than that.
Is there a solution for people with not so much RAM? On midsize maps I quickly run out of memory and therefor cant load them (2GB+ RAM acording to Task Manager).

Edited 11/14/2017 03:46:28
Snags with W"Z": 11/14/2017 10:22:38


Krzysztof 
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The important thing to understand about mods are that they run on the server. For this reason, a game with mods takes about 100x more resources for the server to process.


As i see now, the only way for non-members to play modded games is playing QMs (or maybe i'm wrong and they won't get such templates)

No idea what about tournaments, as i can't use template with mod (not unlocked)

What about allowing non-members to play coin games with mods? This will reduce amount of resources used, but also allow them to see if it's worth buying.

Or just allow them to play one per day or so (after reaching high level to prevent abuse)

Edited 11/14/2017 10:42:53
Snags with W"Z": 11/14/2017 11:07:41


psykkoman
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Is there a solution for people with not so much RAM?

Try Flash in Opera. Runs smoothly for me, after WZ launch it got even faster. Still lagging for middle to big maps, but not much as before.
Snags with W"Z": 11/14/2017 11:59:45


ian 
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Keyboard shortcuts on the Mac have changed from Cmd+something to Ctrl+something (same as Windows). I guess this is more consistent, but Cmd+something was more "Mac native".

Even selecting all the text you've written in the chat box (to quickly delete and revise a message) is now Ctrl+A. This is pretty alien for us Mac users! I know a lot of you will be on the PC but I often play Warzone/Warlight from my work laptop when I'm on the road.
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