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Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/5/2017 22:02:25


Padraig
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The short version of the story: Spanish national police kick and drag people by the hair, who wished to vote in a non-binding referendum on independence for Catalan.

Commentary is given on the relation between Catalan and the other regions of Spain, and the national government.

The video is by Jimmy Dore who is a leftist political commentator.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=DfwzUpR1Bqo

Edited 10/7/2017 03:02:04
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/5/2017 23:34:23


Wulfhere
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I remember Sargon making fun of Jimmy Dore
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 06:32:02


Japanball
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*leftist
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 15:35:21


Dutch Desire
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Police just did there job in holding law and order.
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 16:20:38


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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Which in this case was the morally wrong thing. Shame. Also it was stupid, having the opposite effect their supirors wanted. Double sad.
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 17:00:50


Eklipse
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Catalonia was violating Spanish law, but the central government overreacted to the extreme.

Lots of bad moves on both sides.
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 17:07:05


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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Ditto.
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 18:48:06


Wulfhere
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The best move would have been allowing the referendum but refusing to recognize it's legitimacy.
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 19:57:05

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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I bet that Spain will win. From Google Translate of Spanish newspapers it seems that Spain is pushing businesses to leave Catalonia. This is just the first step.

Not all Catalans hate Spain or want to leave it. More importantly non-Catalan Spaniards are getting really mad at Catalans for hating Spain and Spaniards. And...there are a lot more non-Catalan Spaniards than Catalan ones.

Edited 10/6/2017 19:59:37
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 20:26:31

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APsHNIrS7-s

yeah, throwing around and beating up people was certainly the right thing to do!
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 20:43:09


OxTheAutist 
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just let them be free if they want to be free

it's not that difficult
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 20:47:59

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^Spaniards covet the taxes paid by Catalonia. Furthermore if they let Catalonia go they may also have to let Basque Country and maybe Galicia go. It will be like..the Soviet Union getting broken up.

Edited 10/6/2017 20:49:20
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 20:50:02


Njord 
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I bet that Spain will win. From Google Translate of Spanish newspapers it seems that Spain is pushing businesses to leave Catalonia. This is just the first step.

Not all Catalans hate Spain or want to leave it.




but now they will

Edited 10/6/2017 20:52:08
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 20:53:01

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^Yes especially if there is even more oppression. However Mossos can't fend off the Spanish military.
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 20:54:55


Njord 
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politics are not fought with the military, if they deploy the army then at some time(not now) they will lose
- downvoted post by (((Tabby Juggernaut)))
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 20:59:28


Njord 
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yes look at all of the european colonies and the soviet union and and and.....

ooh a city yes yes yes. then your right ofc a single example then ofc your right

Edited 10/6/2017 21:00:59
- downvoted post by (((Tabby Juggernaut)))
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 21:01:57


OxTheAutist 
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By being sufficiently harsh you mean more than this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mau_Mau_Uprising

if you really think the Spanish government would go further than this then you're delusional
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 21:02:02


Njord 
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i dont really know, do you mean a genocide? because that is the only thing that is harsher then what i mentioned
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 21:02:56


Njord 
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come on ox, thats nothing
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 21:03:06

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^^^What Spain will probably try is forced assimilation, not genocide. Without assimilation the "Desafio Independentista" isn't going to improve. So Spain will probably take over the schools so that kids grow up as Spaniards instead of Catalan independence supporters.

@Njord Yes. However whenever there are more than two tribes genocide can be unprofitable.

Edited 10/6/2017 21:07:37
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 21:03:44


OxTheAutist 
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also... Srebenica is in Bosnia & Herzegovina, jus' sayin'.
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 21:04:17

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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^In..Republika Srpska. LOL. BiH is divided into two entities. Srebrenica still maintains a Bosniak majority but the percentage of people who are Bosniaks have reduced a lot.

Edited 10/6/2017 21:05:25
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 21:05:43


Njord 
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If you exterminate every single person of ethnicity A then the A identity will be gone. Period.
.If you exterminate every single person of ethnicity A then the A identity will be gone. Period.



sure they could kill all 9 million catalans
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 21:06:46


OxTheAutist 
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you've absolutely failed to prove why repression works. On the one hand, there's the evidence of the Soviet Union falling, as well as Western Imperialism. Your argument is "there's this one town in this one country that's not exactly Serbia, but it's in the part of another country that's sympathetic to Serbia and the town has a lot of Serbs in it, but not quite the majority".

which side holds more weight?
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 21:09:21

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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@Ox Genocides are possible. However they are usually not profitable. Through genocide a tribe has basically removed the international norm of not commiting genocides. That can haunt them in the long run even if they actually manage to kill everyone else.

BiH is a messed up state. Republika Srpska is basically a semi-state. Serbs have in fact partly won in the Bosnian War through ethnic cleansing even if they completely lost the Croatian War of Independence.

Edited 10/6/2017 21:11:48
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 21:15:19

(((Tabby Juggernaut)))
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@Njord They won't. Instead they will arrest the pro-independence leaders, put someone like Rivera in charge of Catalonia and Hispanize it through education and immigration (Spaniards from other parts of Spain settling in Catalonia which is what happened naturally under Franco for economic reasons).
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 22:05:18


Eklipse
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Brutal force is not necessary. Strangling their economy and isolating them politically will break independence movements all the same.
Spanish Cops Are Brutalizing Citizens For Voting: 10/6/2017 22:16:47


Njord 
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they have failed to do that for the last 300 years, but now is the time were they will succeed i understand.
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