Loli wasn't just posting hentai; he was posting lolicon- which, if you don't know, is a type of hentai with sexualized depictions of children.

Except there's a small technicality. See, that 6-year-old girl in that image isn't actually canonically 6 years old. Technically, she's just a 30 year old that looks like a 6 year old. Or if you want to get creative, a 10,000 year old shape-shifting demon whose current form is that of a 6-year-old schoolgirl getting railed by some weeb.

So he got Warlight temp-banned from Google Ads by posting borderline child porn. I really hope he's gotten help by now.

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I am not talking about laddergames.

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There's plenty reason to correct people that are speaking about topics they know nothing about.

There is if they are wrong. Cata however said the following:

"most templates are most of the time just beancounting"

I dont see the problem with this. I can understand where Cata is coming from. Since SR came in, beancounting has become easier and a bigger part of the game on average.

Similarly is you're terrible at a game that revolves around math and logic you probably shouldn't boast about your intelligence on the forums of that very game and expect to not get called out.

Being intelligence cant be measured simply by the hand of a game. Nor does intelligence equal being good at maths. Japanball is know to spend more time on the fora than playing the game. He certainly doesnt take the game seriously to the same extend as either you or I do. His winrate is, undoubtedly, not going to be as good as ours then. I do not see why you have to question his intelligence for that. That winrate, in no way, shows signs of his actual intelligence. Neither does yours, nor does mine.

"I dont see the problem with this. I can understand where Cata is coming from. Since SR came in, beancounting has become easier and a bigger part of the game on average. "

I do.

The entire term "beancounting" is also insulting and demonizing.

It's basically an argument that because you can predict the outcome of actions that the game is somehow less skill-based.

It's like saying that because in chess you can always move your pieces onto an opponents to kill theirs that the game isn't skill-based and that it'd somehow be more skill-based if extra dice rolls were involved to decide which piece wins in such situations.

@Nauz: so you're basically claiming that you have at least a ~96.6% win probability vs. Cata in a single game? (for even odds in a 20-game series)

How do you derive win probability from Bayeselo ratings, again? I'm just going to use the basic Elo formula:

P(A beats B) = 1 / (1 + 10 ** ((r_B - r_A)/400))

Going off of that, r_B - r_A needs to be something like -580. Which looks like it works out here since Cata's ladder peak was 1575 and yours is 2154 (diff of -579). Over 20 games, the probability that you'll win all of them over Cata is ~0.496.

So yeah, it would be reasonable to bet on you in that series- or at least about just as reasonable as betting on Cata. (Of course, there's serious caveats here- first off, the ratings might not correspond at all since your ladder careers didn't perfectly overlap; second, I'm ignoring the standard deviations in your ratings because those aren't public; third, this isn't Bayeselo-specific.)

Although that's just 50-50 odds though. You'll need to be obscenely underrated (or Cata obscenely overrated, but there's not that much room below you when you're at 1575) to be able to pull off 95% odds. ~99.74% odds per game would be the cutoff, for which the rating difference needs to be ~1036. That's extremely unlikely based on the information we have, so maybe deflate your ego just a bit if that's how much better than Cata you thought you were.

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I don't remember who was posting it, but there was also actual porn being spammed on the forum as well, not just the hentai.

@min, I'm not saying that Nauz isn't abrasive, but he is not wrong that people who are not good are much less likely to understand what it takes to be good than those who are. You can be smart and not good at Warlight (if you don't put the effort in to learn the strategies), but if you reduce Warlight to bean counting, you're being foolish. If you give mod 1 minute turns he'll still beat almost anyone even if they spend hours bean counting.

@nauz, cata recently beat me in a promo/relegation league game. You would not be able to beat him 20 games in a row.

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

So... anyone want to start a betting pool on a Nauz vs. Cata 20-game series?

I'll bet 100 coins on Cata winning at least once.

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http://www.3dkingdoms.com/chess/elo.htm According to that, expected winrate is roughly 97%

I admittedly grabbed 20 out of thin air though, it wasn't a calculated #, or even a serious claim, though it does actually look to be fairly accurate. I'd have to beat him 32 times for every loss to have my elo rating increase from such games.

I don't think whether I'd be expected to win 15 in a row, or 20, or 31 though is actually meaningful. The key point is that I don't feel someone who's never achieved any sort of success at something should be speaking in regards to what it takes to achieve success at that thing.

@Knyte: I see no evidence you've ever beaten top players, but even if you have, the evidence is certainly not looking like you win such games over 5% of the time.

That was what I said. I wasn't implying he'd only win 1 in 400 games, or that I'd win a 20 game series 95% of the time. I was suggesting that beating me 1 in 20, was akin to beating people as good or better than me 5% of the time.

Beren stating Cata beat him once similarly doesn't really show anything other than that Cata has a chance to win, it doesn't really factor into how high that chance is. Though really the whole topic is silly. It wasn't intended to come across as "Look how much better I am than Cata". That's not a high pole to leap, it's not something overly worth trying to prove. The point was, you're not educated enough on the topic to have a valid opinion on the topic.

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I would bet that cata wont win any of the 20 matches

Yeah cata can say what he wants about warlight templates shouldn't matter if his winrates suck lol. Just cuz you don't take warlight seriously doesn't mean you can't comment on the game. I may not take warlight seriously, but I'm literally in the top 1% of dota 2 players so i ain't braindead

i ain't braindead

i dunno about that...

@1A2D3C4D yes I will elaborate. Look at the people who get banned vs the average forum users. The bad boys like you and I are the cream of the crop in terms of IQ. Indeed causing suffering upon weaklings using words is a highly intellectual hobby.

Everyone who downvoted Caerwyn's comments is freaking salty.

@1A2D3C4D yes I will elaborate. Look at the people who get banned vs the average forum users. The bad boys like you and I are the cream of the crop in terms of IQ. Indeed causing suffering upon weaklings using words is a highly intellectual hobby.

+1

The entire term "beancounting" is also insulting and demonizing.

Guys, ccccccccccccccc'mon stop bullying my little bro this is getting outta hand cata.

The term "beancounting" refers to doing the bit of the game which isn't fun but tedious and trying to get an edge by figuring more scenarios of what will happen and being psychopathically detail-seeking.

Nauzh, I want to join your team. I shall support you and help you in your endeavors, it's only fair to help my polytheist brother.

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I thought bean counting had something to do with illegal immigration.

When were you suspended?

I'm not saying that Nauz isn't abrasive, but he is not wrong that people who are not good are much less likely to understand what it takes to be good than those who are.

I never said he was wrong when saying this. It is true that people who aren't as good are less likely to understand what it takes to be good. That doesn't mean they can't know, or can't spread the knowledge they have from listening to those who are good.

Just because you are better than someone also doesn't mean you can cast their opinion aside because they are, to put it in Nauz's words, a shitty player.

The sentence "Your opinion holds no value cata, because you, like Japanball, are a shitty player." is absolute bullshit. First off, it's about an opinion. An opinion might have less value if it comes from someone who isn't as informed on the topic. But an opinion will never hold no value.
Besides that, if Nauz really is that much better, he could've easily proven Cata wrong. Write a short bit on how he is wrong. Don't just cast him aside cause he's not as good, thus whatever he says holds no value (usually until they agree with you, then their opinion strangely does get a value to it).

The reason I replied is that Nauz's reaction was childish and dumb. If he is bashing someone else for saying something that is, in his eyes, not true, then he should provide some form of an argument. Saying "you're not as good as me so you're wrong and I'm right" is one of the most stupid and annoying things one can do. Either have a normal argument or shut the fuck up. Don't use this kind of stupid logic to try and "prove" something.

If you give mod 1 minute turns he'll still beat almost anyone even if they spend hours bean counting.

But how much of that is experience? If you let get a decent player vs. MoD on a template neither of them has ever played, an unknown map for both, no standard settings. Nullify both their experience in the game as much as possible. Then do someone who has 1 minute to do their turn, and do someone to bean count. Otherwise, you are, in my opinion, not testing the influence of bean counting. If you let MoD (or any decent player) play on MME with 1 minute time they won't have a lot of problems. But then again, we have lots of experience on that template. Any template that is also 0% SR becomes easier to play as well because of that. I'm not saying WL is only bean counting (it obviously isnt), but to try and reduce it to a factor that is of little importance is silly imo.

The entire term "beancounting" is also insulting and demonizing.

It's basically an argument that because you can predict the outcome of actions that the game is somehow less skill-based.

I don't see how a term is an argument for that. The term itself just means you are calculating the small numbers to be cost-effective. This doesn't mean that the game is less skill-based. It just means that you can calculate a lot.

Feel free to get back on topic.