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Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 01:43:31


Tac(ky)tical
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Congratulations on the trophy! Hope the cheating was worth it. Thanks for showing us all your true character and your incompetence... hope you leave the ladder soon :)
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 01:52:34


Cloud Strife 
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Now comes the part where you prove or at least explain why you think he cheated, I believe?
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 02:24:59


Bonsai 
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He's referring to admitted stalling:

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=12770505
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 03:58:30

DrunkPlayer
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Hades and CTRL, admittedly stalling against. He doesn't deserve to pass Motoki.
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 04:00:40


KKND
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Still he hasnt broken any rule

Congrats
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 04:05:40

DrunkPlayer
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There are no rules besides those we as a community make.

He broke the rules that matter.

No congratulations in order for undeserving dirtbags.

Edited 2/3/2017 04:06:30
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 11:00:21

Rento 
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That's okay. I know it was kinda dickish, that's why I apologized to my opponents.

However, my 2nd place with only 6 points less than Motoki was legit. You can see I didn't drag my first 2 loses. Then it came to such small things like Motoki winning a game before my 20th, point fluctuations etc.

I wasn't even stalling my losses until I won the rest of my games, I was stalling my losses until point inconsistencies gave me #1. That's not so bad IMO, but I can understand that some people won't agree.

@edit
So yeah, I admit it wasn't cool. But insulting other people using an alt isn't cool either. Who are you Drunk?

Edited 2/3/2017 11:17:28
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 11:38:10

DrunkPlayer
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Motoki - モトキ defeated HotBeachBum (expired) 11862804 9/3/2016 13:02:02 HotBeachBum: 2073
Motoki - モトキ defeated krunx (expired) 11862807 9/3/2016 08:01:52 krunx: 1850

That's how you took rank 1. Not really what I'd call point inconsistencies. Rank 1's wins needing to expire isn't the same as someone you beat winning a game, etc.

Edited 2/3/2017 11:38:45
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 11:52:42

Rento 
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I actually didn't know that. I'd probably do the same thing if I knew though.
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 12:30:33


master of desaster 
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Your 2nd place was eventually legit, your 1st rank wasn't legit. If you lose, you surrender. Have fun with that meaningless golden trophy.
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 12:52:22


krunx 
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Congratulations on the trophy!

The problem is the point system and not a player. He is not the first who stalls a bit and won't be the last. Everyone who does ladder runs, does trick the ladder system. If you want to be a deserved number 1, you need to keep it for a longer time periode in games against good opponents. That is my point of view.
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 13:08:52


Beren • apex 
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Nauz, I'm glad you're always willing to say what you think. However it would be more meaningful if you did it on an account that everyone knows is you, rather than hiding behind an alt.
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 13:11:53


master of desaster 
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For once i agree with krunx that the ladder system is the main problem. Every trophy obtained trough a run is gamed the system in a way. If a player needs additionally to the run bonus also to stall, it just shows how weak he actually is.

Edited 2/3/2017 13:12:28
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 14:09:41

DrunkPlayer
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It's not a matter of hiding behind an alt, it's a matter of using whatever account is currently logged in.
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 14:11:57


Cloud Strife 
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Most of us agree. It's absolutely wrong but I can't blame people who go for it when basically everyone else is doing it anywhere near as much as I blame the system.
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 15:10:58


Zephyrum 
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I'm pretty sure at least half of the 1st place trophy owners gamed the system to get it. Rento is not the first and won't be the last. This is a flop in the system, there are no rules against it and there is absolutely no point in making a thread to toss insults around because you don't like it.

Congratulations, Rento.
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 15:48:40


(ง︡'-'︠)ง let's fight!! 
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Congrats.
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 16:21:31

Pulsey
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I'm more impressed that he managed to get a rating of nearly 2300 even with 2 losses...

Edited 2/3/2017 16:21:47
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 16:43:37

DrunkPlayer
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Rank 1 is 2284 with 5 losses.....

Not everyone needs to stall to get a respectable rating.

Edited 2/3/2017 16:43:54
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 18:23:42

Rento 
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As I said, not everyone will agree with me here. But still, I'm surprised by the overall reaction.

Let me get this straight: I got my #2 fair and square. I didn't purposely pick easy opponents. Quite the opposite actually, I've got 5 wins against players with rating of 2000-2150 (and that answers the question how I got such high rating with that many losses).

I'd have gotten #1 if my opponents played just a little bit faster. But they didn't, so I was 6 points behind (because of Motoki's last win). I decided to stall those games to gain these few points and advance 1 (one) rank for a few hours. Just because I was close. It wasn't even that important to me and I didn't suppose it would cause a shitstorm.

Then I surrendered and I fell to #3, which is probably where I belong. I'm level with alhazi, which is quite a feat, and if you say this level is "weak" or that it's not "a respectable rating", then you should stop talking and leave, because it's insulting to all the good players ranked below me or who lost to me.

It wasn't even a "run". I'm planning to stay here for a while. I'll try to improve my skill and take #1 by directly beating the leader sometime.

I didn't think I'd have to explain myself. #1 or #2, you guys see such a large difference here? Motoki isn't even the highest ranked player. He wouldn't be on top if Ollie didn't leave the ladder. Do you think he doesn't deserve #1 because of that? Of course you don't think that, because you would be silly.
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 20:15:34

TBest 
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Congratulations on the trophy!

The problem is the point system and not a player. He is not the first who stalls a bit and won't be the last. Everyone who does ladder runs, does trick the ladder system. If you want to be a deserved number 1, you need to keep it for a longer time period in games against good opponents. That is my point of view.

+1
Would have done the same myself, I imagine....sadly I can only imagine *sob sob* gib me worthless golden trophy plz.
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 20:23:18


ZeroBlindDragon
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Congratulations Rento!

Don't blame the player: blame the system...
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 20:32:48


Quicksilver
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Congrats Rento!
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 20:34:02


Platinum
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1v1 Ladder system encourages stalling to gain #1 Trophy in the case of Rento, It's like quitting a drug it takes willpower to not stall because you join the the 1v1 ladder to win and when you have the choice to stall to win it does require willpower , You shouldn't try to run away from stalling because of a ladder system. Fizzer this isn't exactly right and there shouldn't be these kinds of situations.

Let me ask you all, If you were 6 points behind the #1 player and winning a game and losing a game , Would you simply delay the losing game to get the winning game finsihed to get the trophy?

Most would wait that extra turn I'm sure ;)

This is why I believe it's the ladders problem as much as Rento. Not defending Rento at all here we know what option he took and he's aware of his actions.
There was human choice ;)

But as much as this is a problem is there any solutions to such a one? I don't know but I do know when there is a problem to be profited from... People will profit from it like Rento has here.

Rento you took the cheap option that's fine , Considering you are acting on your sole interest that's fine as opposed to being in a clan but when you did this , The tag of being a staller or cheater sticks on so I don't think you should get community approval of getting #2 fairly because it's not about how you start it's about how you end and you will end with a stalled #1 trophy and will be remembered for this.
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 20:42:28

DrunkPlayer
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"Congratulations Rento!

Don't blame the player: blame the system..."

Please keep your lack of morals and ethics to yourself. It's a disease, we don't need it to spread. Personally I'd suggest amputation to save the whole, but killing you seems to be frowned upon on for some reason or another.
Congrats Rento!: 2/3/2017 20:48:57


Master Farah♦ 
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Don't blame the player: blame the system...
Play your game: don't game your plays...
Congrats Rento!: 2/4/2017 19:33:46


timon92 
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stalling is lame
Congrats Rento!: 2/4/2017 22:08:34


LeQuébécois_Benoit
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This is more an ethical question than anything else. Like in society, WL have rules but theses rules sometimes have some flaws that allow people to reach their goals legally but in a way that some people would consider unethical. It is a philosophical debate at this point.

The people that stall their way to victory do nothing against WL's rules and people will tell them that they "cheated" without giving much valid reasons behind their thinking or giving a proper definition of what "cheating" is. What is cheating? "Cheating" for me is using a method or a conduct that will go against the laws (WL's rules for this situation here). In this situation, Rento did not "cheat" in that sense, considering he did not go against any WL's rules. Is it ethical? That is an other question that is far harder to respond in a few lines.

People are judging Rento or guys like that solely based on what an informative group of people (mostly in top tier clans) think of what SHOULD be an ethical conduct on WL. This informal group have OPINIONS of what is ethical or unethical, without really giving much valid arguments about it. Opinions aren't facts and they aren't valid arguments if not properly constructed. Does that mean their opinions shouldn't be heard? No, but they are opinions unless properly constructed into arguments and opinions can differ.

In society, some big companies can avoid paying a lot of taxes by putting their money in tax havens, making most of their furnitures and stocks in countries that are deregulated or use other questionable methods like that. Is it legal? Yes. Is it unethical? Some could say yes but it is a whole other debate and it is much harder to respond with arguments to that question other than just giving an opinion about it. An economist could argue that if theses companies wouldn't do their unethical behavior, they would probably not be able to compete on the market with the other big companies that do it.

Top players that want 1st place on 1v1 ladder or a ladder are like theses big companies. A very few of theses players will be able to get 1st place 100% legally and "ethically". So some of theses players will have to use, just like theses big companies, what could be perceived as "unethical" behaviors (by some people) to be able to compete with other top players in order to get first place.

I personnally don't care what people do on WL as long as what they do is LEGAL (not to be mistaken for ETHICAL). If people think that some WL's rules should be changed in order to make this game better, the only way to do it is to PM WL's god (a.k.a Fizzer) and give him suggestions with valid ARGUMENTS. Your message might end up forgotten somewhere by Fizzer but at least you will have done something in order to try to change things in a way that suits your beliefs. I think complaining about a guy's "unethical" but legal behavior is silly and solves nothing.

Edited 2/4/2017 22:12:22
Congrats Rento!: 2/4/2017 23:15:12


Swisster 
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Congrats Rento!
Congrats Rento!: 2/7/2017 15:16:24


Semicedevine 
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wait what

cheating?

never seen that before

never seen accusations of that before either

never seen anything good happen as a result of it either either

Edited 2/7/2017 15:18:02
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