Thank you for your hard work! This looks good. Good luck to everybody! ^^

The biggest shock is Battle Islands not making it in: every clan voted it high, but no one chose it as #1.

Thanks a lot guys!

Battle Islands being out doesn't just mean Battle Island is out, It also means GreenTea doesn't go 6+0! :D

Volcano Island is what shocks me more ATM!

Good luck all.

Look, I like math, I haven't done a thorough analysis of STV, I'm just cherry-picking two results, and I don't mean to be the guy that pisses on the fire, but...

Just try the eye test. Here are the voting results for two templates:

1 2 3 3 3 4 4 6 7 7 8 9 9 10

1 2 3 3 8 9 9 9 10 10 10 11 11 12


First one is French Brawl (didn't make it)
Second one is Volcano Island (did make it)

*shrugs*

I get that there's a more complicated algorithm that compares them all and is dependent on what's being selected, but like advanced metrics in sports, sometimes they're useful and sometimes I wonder if we're overthinking it.

All that being said, not a big deal and thanks for your hard work as always. Just weird to me.

Edited 1/9/2017 02:45:08

@Turtle: this is how it works for me.

Counting votes for 3v3 template using Fractional Transfer STV.
4 candidates running for 2 seats.
Using a Droop-Static-Fractional threshold.

 R|Rome                       |India                      |Africa                     |Europe                     |Exhausted                  |Surplus                    |Threshold                  
======================================================================================================================================================================================================
 1|                   5.000000|                   2.000000|                   2.000000|                   5.000000|                   0.000000|                   0.666666|                   4.666667
  |---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count of first choices. Candidates Rome and Europe have reached the threshold and are elected.

Winners are Rome and Europe.

Counting votes for Title using Fractional Transfer STV.
6 candidates running for 3 seats.
Using a Droop-Static-Fractional threshold.

 R|2v2 China            |2v2 Cookies          |2v2 Final Earth      |2v2 Guiroma          |2v2 Strat ME         |2v2 Szeurope         |Exhausted            |Surplus              |Threshold            
========================================================================================================================================================================================================
 1|             4.000000|             0.000000|             3.000000|             4.000000|             2.000000|             1.000000|             0.000000|             0.999998|             3.500001
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count of first choices. Candidates 2v2 China and 2v2 Guiroma have reached the threshold and are elected. Candidates have surplus votes so surplus votes will be transferred for the next round.
========================================================================================================================================================================================================
 2|             4.000000|             0.124999|             3.000000|             3.500001|             2.374997|             1.000000|             0.000003|             0.499999|             3.500001
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from 2v2 Guiroma with a transfer value of 0.499999/4.000000. Candidates 2v2 China and 2v2 Guiroma were tied when choosing surplus to transfer. Candidate 2v2
  | Guiroma was chosen by breaking the tie randomly. Candidates have surplus votes so surplus votes will be transferred for the next round.
========================================================================================================================================================================================================
 3|             3.500001|             0.249998|             3.124999|             3.500001|             2.499996|             1.124999|             0.000006|             0.000000|             3.500001
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from 2v2 China with a transfer value of 0.499999/4.000000. No candidates have surplus votes so candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred for
  | the next round.
========================================================================================================================================================================================================
 4|             3.500001|                     |             3.249998|             3.500001|             2.499996|             1.249998|             0.000006|             0.000000|             3.500001
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating 2v2 Cookies and transferring votes. No candidates have surplus votes so candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred for the next round.
========================================================================================================================================================================================================
 5|             3.500001|                     |             4.499996|             3.500001|             2.499996|                     |             0.000006|             0.999995|             3.500001
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating 2v2 Szeurope and transferring votes. Candidate 2v2 Final Earth has reached the threshold and is elected.

Winners are 2v2 China, 2v2 Final Earth, and 2v2 Guiroma.

Ballot file contains 14 non-empty ballots.

Counting votes for 1v1 CL9 using Fractional Transfer STV.
12 candidates running for 6 seats.
Using a Droop-Static-Fractional threshold.

 R|1v1 Battle I|1v1 Belarus |1v1 Elitist |1v1 French B|1v1 Guiroma |1v1 Laketown|1v1 Malvia  |1v1 Old Stra|1v1 Phobia  |1v1 Strat Gr|1v1 Volcano |1v1 Yin'angz|Exhausted   |Surplus     |Threshold   
  |slands V    |            |Africa      |rawl        |            |            |            |t ME        |            |eece        |Island      |hou         |            |            |            
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 1|    0.000000|    0.000000|    2.000000|    1.000000|    3.000000|    0.000000|    0.000000|    2.000000|    2.000000|    2.000000|    1.000000|    1.000000|    0.000000|    0.999999|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count of first choices. Candidate 1v1 Guiroma has reached the threshold and is elected. Candidates have surplus votes so surplus votes will be transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 2|    0.333333|    0.000000|    2.000000|    1.000000|    2.000001|    0.000000|    0.000000|    2.000000|    2.000000|    2.333333|    1.333333|    1.000000|    0.000000|    0.333332|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from 1v1 Guiroma with a transfer value of 0.999999/3.000000. Candidate 1v1 Strat Greece has reached the threshold and is elected. Candidates have surplus
  | votes so surplus votes will be transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 3|    0.333333|    0.000000|    2.142856|    1.047618|    2.000001|    0.000000|    0.000000|    2.000000|    2.000000|    2.000001|    1.333333|    1.142856|    0.000002|    0.142855|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from 1v1 Strat Greece with a transfer value of 0.333332/2.333333. Candidate 1v1 Elitist Africa has reached the threshold and is elected. Candidates have
  | surplus votes so surplus votes will be transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 4|    0.342856|    0.000000|    2.000001|    1.114283|    2.000001|    0.000000|    0.000000|    2.000000|    2.066665|    2.000001|    1.333333|    1.142856|    0.000004|    0.066664|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from 1v1 Elitist Africa with a transfer value of 0.142855/2.142856. Candidate 1v1 Phobia has reached the threshold and is elected. Candidates have surplus
  | votes so surplus votes will be transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 5|    0.342856|    0.000000|    2.000001|    1.116433|    2.000001|    0.032256|    0.000000|    2.000000|    2.000001|    2.000001|    1.333333|    1.175112|    0.000006|    0.000000|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from 1v1 Phobia with a transfer value of 0.066664/2.066665. No candidates have surplus votes so candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred
  | for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 6|    0.342856|            |    2.000001|    1.116433|    2.000001|    0.032256|            |    2.000000|    2.000001|    2.000001|    1.333333|    1.175112|    0.000006|    0.000000|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating 1v1 Belarus and 1v1 Malvia and transferring votes. Since this is the first elimination round, all candidates without any votes are eliminated. No candidates have surplus
  | votes so candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 7|    0.342856|            |    2.000001|    1.148689|    2.000001|            |            |    2.000000|    2.000001|    2.000001|    1.333333|    1.175112|    0.000006|    0.000000|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating 1v1 Laketown and transferring votes. No candidates have surplus votes so candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 8|            |            |    2.000001|    1.158212|    2.000001|            |            |    2.000000|    2.000001|    2.000001|    1.666666|    1.175112|    0.000006|    0.000000|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating 1v1 Battle Islands V and transferring votes. No candidates have surplus votes so candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred for the next round.
=====================================================================================================================================================================================================
 9|            |            |    2.000001|            |    2.000001|            |            |    2.116433|    2.000001|    2.000001|    2.666666|    1.216891|    0.000006|    0.783097|    2.000001
  |--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating 1v1 French Brawl and transferring votes. Candidates 1v1 Old Strat ME and 1v1 Volcano Island have reached the threshold and are elected.

Winners are 1v1 Elitist Africa, 1v1 Guiroma, 1v1 Old Strat ME, 1v1 Phobia, 1v1 Strat Greece, and 1v1 Volcano Island.

@Bonsai:

Here is a youtube video that explains STV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI
The advantage here is that you get what you vote for, if what you have voted for is already elected then your vote goes to your 2nd choice etc.
Thats caled surplus votes and probably what confuses you here.

You could manually check the votes, they are all in the spreadsheet. If you want to do that its easiest if you do the 3v3 vote, not that much work.

There is also an online tool where you check results: http://paul-lockett.co.uk/stv.html

Edit: threshold = 2.000001

Round 1: 	Lynx votes Volcano Island. VI = 1.0
Round 2: 	VI gets 0.333333 surplus votes from Guiroma being elected(GG). 	VI = 1.33
Round 3-7: 	VI doesnt get any more votes, but doesnt get eliminated
Round 8:	Battle Island gets eliminated. this was Turtles 2nd choice, the surplus vote of 0.33 goes to VI. 	VI = 1.66
Round 9: 	Here it gets interesting!
		FB=1.158212
		VI=1.666666
		Yinangzhou=1.175112 	
		French Brawl gets eliminated. BIA's vote of FB as #1 goes to their 2nd choice with the value of 1.0 (VI).
		VI reaches threshold and gets elected.

Edited 1/9/2017 04:18:47

@linberson,
It may be better if you put all this in a document and share a link to that instead. I hope my post doesn't get buried under this, which will lead to complaints that people weren't aware of the templates etc.

@motd: I would have said put it on first page, but Beren already did. Too tired now for extra document. I might do it later... as in never if nobody bugs me about it. =D

@all: Templats were decided! check motds post. and Berens. and the other thread: https://www.warlight.net/Forum/231273-clan-league-9-roster-lineup

Edited 1/9/2017 04:25:52

I read into detail on that voting method about a year ago when someone proposed it on anothe league. It seems like a real cool way to choose winners, even if it is hard to explain.

So, to sum things up, template which almost nobody wants can be elected over the one who is preferred by many, just because those few who wants the first will guess right which other templates will be voted in.
It looks it is the case for both Volcano Island and Elitist Africa (which is elected despite the fact that 8 out of 14 clans voted it 8th or worse). On the other hand, Battle Islands received no worst that 7th position, but didn't made it.
Votes under (I estimate) 4th one do not matter any more. If you really dislike a template, there is no way to prevent it from entering CL, if E.g. few clans will made arrangement to upvote it. And if you have B-clan in division B, your chances for rigging of voting process increases very rapidly.

I have proposal how to make it more fair. After 1st (or more, if they are) template will made in it in first step, resolve cut-down within templates voted 12, (1 or more for certain stage), and eliminate "worst selection". Then return to up (again, counting until at least 1 template will not be voted in), then to down and so on until selection of templates will be made.

I have proposal how to make it more fair. After 1st (or more, if they are) template will made in it in first step, resolve cut-down within templates voted 12, (1 or more for certain stage), and eliminate "worst selection". Then return to up (again, counting until at least 1 template will not be voted in), then to down and so on until selection of templates will be made.

Can you do a mock election with the supplied votes?

FYI - if you try to save the settings as your own template from the game linked in 1v1 Old Ladder WR

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=7907608 ;

The settings will revert to SR and the map will also be different as well because the owner of that template has changed the template.

Yeah. That's one of the flaws with how templates are managed on WL.

But we've created copies of each template based on the games, which is what the CLOT will use.

3v3 Deadman's Rome                 977251
3v3 Europe                         977258

2v2 Guiroma                        977250
2v2 China                          977247
2v2 Final Earth                    976336

1v1 Elitist Africa                 977235
1v1 Guiroma                        977238
1v1 Old Strat ME                   977240
1v1 Phobia                         977241
1v1 Volcano Island                 977246
1v1 Strat Greece                   977243

But the links in the worksheet Lineup of the Spreadsheet are safe?

Yes. They should link to the same templates I posted above.