Yes, wct. I have disdain for cold hearted elitists who revel in large swathes of the country suffering.

Then why are you criticizing him for having disdain also?

Well having disdain for someone for suffering is very different from having disdain for a sadist

We had better policy on the table for all of America.

What Clinton proposed was the same policies that have been decimating the American middle class for decades. More "Free trade", more jobs sent overseas, and more wealth accumulating for the top. Would it have increased GDP? Maybe, but only the wealthy few would feel the benefits.

Exactly why it sucks that Clinton/the DNC cheated Bernie Sanders, who could have actually addressed these problems. So far, Trump has done one good thing: Shut down talk of the TPP. However, I have no trust that he won't re-brand it, call it Trump's Perfect Plan, and push a nearly identical version of it as his own baby.

Knyte's right about one thing: Trump won't fix things the way you think he will.

But Eklipse and the others are right, too: Neither would have Clinton.

Shoulda been Bernie. The only ones to blame for that fiasco are Clinton (and her campaign people) and her corrupt cronies in the DNC, like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Donna Brazile, and a whole bunch of others.

You guys do realize that this 'election' was between the *two* worst-liked candidates ever, right? It was *bound* to end with a shit show and everyone disappointed and pissed off. There was literally no way it could have turned out well.

Edited 11/26/2016 21:55:06

Well having disdain for someone for suffering is very different from having disdain for a sadist

But you don't criticize the sadist by saying, "He's bad because of his disdain." You should criticize him because he's a sadist. Otherwise you're just being hypocritical. (And I'm not saying knyte is a sadist, I'm just following your hypothetical example.)

I have disdain for cold hearted elitists who revel in large swathes of the country suffering.

Noone in America "suffers". Or less than 100k voters anyway.

You think everyone in America is rich

way richer than Indonesians and Flipinos at any rate. The bottom 10% of Americans has over 20.000$ incomes on average, I mean: bigger than national averages of Indonesia and Tagalog.

They can't feed their families

Welfare and child protection services (which Clinton wanted more of)

put them through university

a luxury (which Clinton wanted more of)

are going to have to live with other folk because they can't afford housing.

living with other folk = having housing

a working class individual who makes 25,000 a year

far above the poverty line and more than I make.

it's not like anyone here barely ate for two months straight to save money.

you're becoming worse than prince of felidia. if you really did that, you'd be dead or at least hospitalised.

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lmao

All I came here to say was that this conversation/thread is pointless in the first place, and y'all decide it's worth digging yourselves deeper and deeper into.

Look at Eklipse's hopes and dreams, his vision of the world, what he sees as "big" and worthwhile, where he sees himself ending up in 5, 10, even 20 years. There's no reason to really hate or feel sad for him over it, but there's a reason he's still so bitter and resentful of our 'arrogance' even after a victory- it's because he too realizes those dreams are tiny and meaningless.

If you're part of the 'globalist, urban, educated elite' that large chunks of white, working-class voters in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania decided to engage in a futile 'rebellion' against- there's straight-up nothing to worry about. Even these people's wacky imaginations will concede to you that they see us as so powerful they think we've been running the whole world for decades now. They know we've won, and there's nothing they can do to stop us. They can kick and scream all they want, but we're all on the train to a brighter future- and not one of them can do a single thing to stop it.

Don't sweat it. If worse comes to worst, we've long since developed the tools we need for resistance- just keep working, stay prepared, and stay ahead. It's not our game- we're just the only ones who bothered to learn how to play.

So let them enjoy the one small victory they get. Drop threads like this. We've been winning for so long there's no way we can muster up the anger to match theirs. Repeat after me:

Clinton lost. Trump won.

And that changes literally nothing in the long run.

They lost before they even got started.

Edited 11/26/2016 21:48:22

And that changes literally nothing in the long run.

Sadly, yes, one bloodthirsty militarist won over another.

Read knyte's last post, it looks like a lame supervillain speech. There's two possibilities:

1) He's just trolling and should be ignored accordingly.

2) He's telling the truth and really is a cold, calculating, machine of a human without empathy or common decency. We should all work to knock him off his high horse. He sadly doesn't realize that his top-heavy system is unsustainable and will crash and burn one way or another. His comrades will continue giving rise to more socialists, alt-rights, and radicals of other shades.

Edited 11/26/2016 22:10:43

But you don't criticize the sadist by saying, "He's bad because of his disdain."

I'm not and neither was Eklipse

Welfare and child protection services (which Clinton wanted more of)

Taking away the ability to care for your children is morally bankrupt, regardless of the intent to care for them with social programs

you're becoming worse than prince of felidia. if you really did that, you'd be dead or at least hospitalised.

Barely. I mean, defining barely, it was usually having days where I wouldn't eat and most days being where I ate below what I should eat. Anyway, you're almost as bad as Knyte, but at least you don't accept that some folk have sucky lives and revel in the suckiness.

it's because he too realizes those dreams are tiny and meaningless.

Stop being a nihilist just because you lost, you're worse than me or Eklipse complaining about our problems.

They can kick and scream all they want, but we're all on the train to a brighter future- and not one of them can do a single thing to stop it.

We'd all be on a train to auschwitz if it was up to you. Besides, the Clinton train was to Moscow and had lots of gun on it, that's no future for you or I.

Edited 11/26/2016 22:11:10

this is irridian haha

Xapy, I tried looking that up in google and thefreedictionary but only got some industrial company. Is this a new pop-culture reference or a meme of some sort? Never heard of it. What's it mean?

cold, calculating, machine of a human without empathy or common decency

Bingo.

We should all work to knock him off his high horse.

You're welcome to try.

Edited 11/26/2016 22:13:19

Well at least you finally up and admitted it.

That ends the conversation, folks. No point arguing with someone who doesn't even have a basic moral compass to relate to.

Well we know what section of the remoaners international Knyte is in. The "Omg this country is so racist and backwards I hope you all die!" section is quite the sad place for Knyte.

But you don't criticize the sadist by saying, "He's bad because of his disdain."

I'm not and neither was Eklipse

I was initially replying to Eklipse's argument; you're the one who tried to jump to its defense. Since you claim to know what Eklipse was arguing, I'll requote the entirety of his post, and then ask a couple of questions:

knyte just demonstrated the exact elitism and arrogance that caused Trump's election. Despite all the preaching about tolerance and helping the less fortunate, knyte and others of his stripe have nothing but disdain for those they deem as beneath them.

I bet it must be so easy to sit in your little hightower, spouting high and mighty nonsense, writing off all who think differently than you as illiterate peasants. But guess what? Your cities, your banks, your vaunted GDP, it's nothing without the rural areas you so despise. Sure, you could wipe us off the map and not see an immediate loss in capital, but you'd starve to death by the year's end.

I used to respect you, knyte. But it's clear all your talk about putting partisanship behind, seeing new viewpoints, and treating everyone with respect was just hypocrical talk. Look in the mirror sometime. YOU are the reason this country is so divided. YOU are the reason Trump got elected. YOU and those of like attitude, are the problem.

Can you please explain how this is *not* an argument that knyte's disdain is "the reason" and "the problem"?

Once you've failed to do that, can you please explain how it is not *also* filled with disdain for knyte himself, as even Eklipse himself has admitted?

Edited 11/26/2016 22:20:33

It's directly stating that it's Knytes disdain FOR THE WORKING CLASS is wrong, not that he has disdain. For example, if he had disdain for terrorists, no one would really argue there as that disdain is well place. And it is filled with disdain for Knyte, but that disdain is different like how the disdain for terrorists is different. He's not arguing disdain is bad, he's arguing that disdain for the working class is bad.

Edited 11/26/2016 22:24:31

You're putting words in his mouth. You should try quoting some time. For example, here's the actual quote:

knyte and others of his stripe have nothing but disdain for those they deem as beneath them.

Not disdain for the working class, but for those he deems beneath him. Just as Eklipse now feels that knyte is beneath him ("I used to respect you, knyte"), and shows disdain for him likewise.

Speak to what Eklipse actually wrote, not what you've put into his mouth afterwards. Remember, I was responding to that post and the argument it contained. If Eklipse wants to recant that argument, that's a different story. Today, it's as it is written.

Obviously I'm going to feel disdain for those who show nothing but disdain for me. I don't understand why you're pursuing an argument over that considering everything else going on in this thread.

Obviously I'm going to feel disdain for those who show nothing but disdain for me.

It's not the *feeling* I'm responding to, it's your *argument*.

I don't understand why you're pursuing an argument over that considering everything else going on in this thread.

Because it's a faulty argument. (And MGSB has been actively trying to defend it.)

Edited 11/26/2016 22:46:30

I guess criticizing the Nazis for hating Jews is a "faulty argument" as well.

That's not the argument you made. The argument you made was more like, "The Nazis are wrong for disdaining those beneath them. I have no respect for the Nazis (i.e. they are beneath me) and feel disdain towards them. And I'm not wrong in doing so. Unlike how the Nazis are wrong for doing so."