Speaking of strawmen... this entire post.

@Knyte

Just laughed the crap out of me on that. One of the funniest comments about ideologies I've read in a while.


@Richard Shape

+1000

Very true what you just said. I'm centre-left in economy and very liberal morally speaking, but I watch and read every paper or videos that contradict my opinions with good arguments, because one I don't believe myself to be 100% right in my opinions, and two I would be a hippocrite if I criticized people whom ideologies I know nothing about.

Sometimes I got better talks with conservatives than I did with liberals, all of it depending on wether someone has actual arguments or none. I just try to have ideas of my own based on the knowlage I have; and I'm always eager to be contradicted and change positions if the arguments are solid and based in hard evidence. Too bad we often are reduced to poor arguments like:

Liberals want to make the USA weaker and to help others ahead of our own people. Conservatives want America First and a strong USA.

@Tabby

Don’t demand anything because of your race, ethnicity, or sex

What about religion?

Nazism is called National Socialism, therefore it must be socialism.

Nazism has socialist policies implemented into it, with a emphasis on them, therefore it must be inherently socialistic.

Nazism is called National Socialism, therefore it must be socialism.

North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, therefore it must be a democracy.

Technically speaking a "Democratic Republic" is just a republic where elections are held, for which North Korea fits the bill. There is also technically a lot of corruption going on in the elections, but that's a separate issue.

Edited 8/4/2016 00:17:06

Liberals want to make the USA weaker and to help others ahead of our own people. Conservatives want America First and a strong USA.

Huh, sounds fair enough.

Elections are held in DPRK, Kim Jong-un got %100 of the votes.

#NotAllSocialists #DemocraticSocialism #DailySocialism

Nazism is called National Socialism, therefore it must be socialism.

North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, therefore it must be a democracy.

Vegetarians eat vegetables, so humanitarians eat humans

Left = economically left
Right = economically right

Fascism is economically left, so sorry bud. Fascism is left wing.

Fascism is opposed to any free market. Hitler, Mussolini, FDR, they were all anti-free market.

The citizen in the Fascist State is no longer a selfish individual who has the anti-social right of rebelling against any law of the Collectivity. The Fascist State with its corporative conception puts men and their possibilities into productive work and interprets for them the duties they have to fulfill.

- Mussolini


Fascism is opposed to the free market, with it's cartels and heavy regulations.

No it isn't, its opposed to individualism. You don't need to facilitate or support individualism in order to have a free market.

You need individualism for any free market. A free market is made up of individuals using their assets as they wish, not a damned collective, being directed by a state!

>doesn't give an example.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

Edited 8/7/2016 00:35:46

Fascist states don't prevent individuals from making transactions.

They do prevent individuals on occasion from having individual transactions, and reserve the right to do so. That is not a free market.

Your link is just some Jew telling me about fascism. It'd be like a nazi telling me about fascism, idc about their definition of an ideology. I care about the definitions of people who shaped it.

This man is literally jewish and hes an anarchist topkek, why would I depend upon him to give me an accurate description of fascism?

http://sturgiswesthistory.weebly.com/uploads/9/5/2/5/9525566/335845417.jpg

Once again, Mussolini stating that fascism is not compatible with the free market.

Also you're not a Jew or a fascist, why are you describing Judaism or fascism?

That quote doesn't show that fascism is incompatible with the free market.

If fascism is the merger of the state and corporation, and the state has the ultimate power in this form, then the state has control over the market and it is not free.

I don't have any reason to lie, unlike the Jew. Jews aren't trustworthy.

Then why let them keep your money in a bank, and manage your finances? Either they are at the same level of all folk in that some are trustworthy and some aren't, and that's why they were trusted for centuries, or they're all liars, but if they were all liars, no one would employ them to bank their money.

"The only source I need is myself, because everyone else is a liar."

Define free

an economic system in which prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses.

In a fascist system, there are heavy restrictions (as the government is the one determining many factors) and the businesses are only nominally private, as they, as Mussolini stated, have merged with the government to form a fascist government.

Literally no one has trusted the jews until recently.

Then how did they get rich of banking in the first place? Were there not Jewish bankers and money managers in medieval courts, and in the Turkish Empire?

Most people are idiots.

Folk are the smartest beasts on the planet; hold your tongue.

Strawman, tell me that when Jews are 99% of the population, otherwise fuck off.

Judaism is .02% of the population of the world.

no example

http://archive.spectator.co.uk/article/28th-august-1926/16/the-italian-syndical-law

false

Not false, they are ran in cartels ran by the state.

usury, which is an evil practice banned by the church.

Bank loans are not evil, and apparently folk were ok enough with them that they agreed over and over again enough for the Jews to get rich.

I never said humans were unintelligent either.

Most people are idiots.

Kilo said I distrust most people, you've proven my point that I only distrust (without exception) .02% of the population.

Irrelevant

You've failed to give a definition of freedom that doesn't succumb to the black or white fallacy.

Excuse me? You said that businesses aren't in control of the government in fascist society, and I provided the reasoning why they are only nominally private and mostly under the control of government. You're deflecting.

If you've failed to see the harm you're a fool.

What harm is it? I loan some money from you, make a business, and pay you back extra with a little more later.

No feasible alternatives for loans

You know why there wasn't? Because you banned interest from loans. Why would anyone do loans if they couldn't make money from it?

what is this quote supposed to prove?

You stated that the majority of humans are unintelligent, then later backtracked on your statement.