should we all take bets on how long linbersen is gonna stalk this thread begging people to use his other thread instead?
;)
Imma say 24 hrs before he gives up. lol

At the end of the day, no matter how much off-topic things everybody throw on this thread

You sir, are off-topic.

should we all take bets on how long linbersen is gonna stalk this thread begging people to use his other thread instead?
;)
Imma say 24 hrs before he gives up. lol

You dont know how stubborn i can be.

I would like to say I am shocked this complaining still happens...but I am not. People work their butts off to put this on, and yet people still whine when they are doing the best they can.

Such a shame, considering this is the BEST competition on this site.

I believe the dilemma that the panel faced was that of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus.

Here is a short video explaining the paradox: https://youtu.be/-TFCMK4i2lo?t=8s

If even one player leaves 101st then has the clan changed? Is it still the same clan? If the player was important enough then I would say it has. However, maybe you disagree. Maybe you think that a clan's identity is more than just one player. Well then, what if half of its members leave? What if all of its members leave?

At some point we would all agree that the clan is different in some way from the original clan that contained the original members. That is, they do not have the same properties. If Platnium caused the clan to be divisive, unstable, and uncomfortable (I have no idea. I was never in 101st.) then with him gone 101st is a different clan because it has different properties than a 101st with said player.

Back to the central question. How much can a clan change before it becomes "a different clan"? This line is arbitrary and nobody can say they know for sure where the line has to be drawn. Some would say that the loss of even one player if that player (say a leader) is influential enough, it would radically change the identity of the clan while others may say that so long as one member remains then the clan is still in its original form.

So as logical human beings, our only hope for practical application is an appeal to authority. Because the line is subjective and often biased we need to place faith in a biased and subjective authority. Some times this authority may contradict itself, change its stance, or blur the line but the important thing is that it is making decisions where as if we stand here and argue about it, we will never reach a solution. Philosophers have argued about identity for centuries. We do not have centuries to argue about this so we must put our faith in imperfect and subjective human beings so that the league can actually function.

Edited 10/17/2016 18:25:56

This comment has caused me to have an existential crises.

What is a clan? Am I a clan? Are any of us a clan or are all of us a clan? Are any of us at all?

I believe that 101st of today is totally different than Apollo's 101st. Claiming Fork is the same as Apollo is seriously stupid and ignorant. I would say 101st changed so much since the original 101st, that anyone claiming to have a right to the spot for being an original 101st outside of Blowfly is really a petty argument.

I would say 101st went through several different identities and "clanhoods" for the past years:

- Apollo's original 101st, this clan disappeared when Lynx was formed and the best players moved to it.

- Declining 101st in a Lynx-101st system existed after that, it got relegated twice in the CL, no one was really in charge and the clan came near extinction.

- Childish 101st then appeared under Platinum I. Because he made some poor decisions and clearly lacked maturity, he was taken out of the clan's business.

- Platinum II took advices from Styxie and Zero before he became evil managed to get promoted to B, later joined Markus, Tacky, Bonsai, Jinxed and I that played under 101st banner willing to join Lynx in the future.

- Rebelious 101st then rose to power. We didnt want to break a full functional clan to give our bests to Lynx when outside of Zero and mostly AG we'd never got any training from any fooking Lynx. We tried to make it work with a fusion, a system where Lynx remaining active players joined us or an independent system. Apollo came back and made it clear he wanted his clan back. We decided to move over and return the clan ownership to Apollo. When it came clear that Zero was manipulating us and later spying for months out of idk the fuck why, there wasn't really a comeback.

- Forgotten knight assumes control of 101st and believes Zero small talk that the spot of 101st belongs to him because it belonged to Apollo and that Outlaws are jerks that left the ship without any reason.


Seriously claiming that we colluded with the council is not only blatant ignorance towards the story that happened but also insulting to the council. We'd never knew for months or weeks (as some conspiracionists would say) about the decision.

Us saying that the spot was ours and that we were recruiting for A next season was just a way to mark our position in the matter more than a full certainty that the spot was ours. We were as y'all taken by surprise by the panel's decision, and for I ignored they'd been discussing that issue for months.

Oh and don't feel sorry if Zero manipulated you guys for months until believing the spot was rightfully tours for idk what reason. He lied, spyied and tryied to recruit some of us, and his small talk to you probably isn't nothing but a way to take a revenge against us.

I'm seriously disapointed Lynx didn't punish him at all after the hacking Tacky's account/spying on us thing. That probably crippled my opinion of Lynx up to a point where sincere and honorable members such as AG, JSA, Andy and Hades can't do anything to restore it.

Edited 10/17/2016 23:19:55

Again I would really apreciate it if you voice your opinion about 101/Outlaws or the committe not in this thread but here: https://www.warlight.net/Forum/205389-cl-101outlaw-committe-discussion.

That's like saying a person who is nice for 10 years but commits a murder after that was actually a great guy because he was so nice all the time. What is that person remembered for? Probably the murder. (Not implying ZBD is a murderer btw >.>)

@Farah, not that it is relevant at all. But people DO say that about murderers in real life you know. "He was a good guy etc"

Even more so if that guy was a policeman or something. Anyway, also not relevant. (Also not implying that ZBD murdered someone)

Edited 10/18/2016 00:56:23

Murdering a cookie is non-reversible and the damage dealt is permanent.
But breaking into a skype account is no where near as drastic. xD

Breaking into someone's skype is pretty much breaching their privacy. Not sure what you discuss on skype, but i wouldn't want anyone else to have access to my skype.

not that it is relevant at all. But people DO say that about murderers in real life you know. "He was a good guy etc"

Yes, I believe there's even a psychological term for it, though i cant recall it right now. Not that it proves that the murderer is actually a good person though, just the different ways people judge others. (Very much implying Tbest murdered ZBD)

"You weren't there because none of this is your business. So what makes you think that you know jacksh*t about Zero?"

Someone doing some good doesn't invalidate all the harm they've done.

He is selfish. He does good to gain respect. He doesn't actually care about anyone but himself.

His reputation is fucked. It's not because of anything we did semice, it's because of what he did.

Don't go there.


He won't play RT often because he's afraid if his stats get tarnished people won't think he's as great.

He repeatedly begged people to VTE in RT games he did lose for the same reason.

He hacked someones skype account, went through their private messages, disseminated messages contained therein.

That is not okay. It is illegal in much of the world. If Tacky cared and pushed the issue legally, Zero, living in Canada, could get sentenced with jail time.

Yes, I am serious.

You do not just get to pretend that his behavior is okay and ask people to stop mentioning it. Your actions have consequences, as do his.

His excuses for why he did it are sociopathic behavior. Sociopaths do not care about other people, they use them, they're opportunists, and they'll throw you under the bus the moment doing so becomes convenient to them.

You think it's mean to "bully" him on Warlight? I'd see him spend 2-5 years in jail. That'd be justice.

Frankly, I think less of every single person in Lynx for allowing him to stay in the clan, and having the audacity to even think of defending that piece of shit.

I don't kowtow to anyone. I don't need your respect. I respect me. That's more than enough for me.

Edited 10/18/2016 01:37:57

"I'd see him spend 2-5 years in jail. That'd be justice"

US has ridiculous punishment's, and expectations of punishments.

Eithe way, I belive someone said that Tacky and ZBD has settled this in private (don't know the details of it) but, I don't think either of them wants a public discussion about it.

Edited 10/18/2016 01:48:00

Let's keep in mind that this is your opinion of Zero, and that we all can make our own decisions about him without you posting these sorts of messages ripping him apart.

As someone who never expearianced any of this and has a very different standpoint on the issue, you are only making me like you less, as oppossed to your goal of getting everyone to hate Zero's guts. For every person you convince that Zero is sub-human, there will be at least one person more who loses respect for you and gains maybe even a little symapthy for Zero.

I consider Zero a friend of mine. (or as close as you can get to a friend through Warlight alone) I have seen no first-hand evidance of the way you and people who seem to be mostly Outlaws claim he treats people. He's been caring about as much as it is possible to care for other people on an online risk clone game.

Edited 10/18/2016 01:51:48

"For every person you convince that Zero is sub-human, there will be at least one person more who loses respect for you and gains maybe even a little symapthy for Zero. "

This is nonsense.

There's the potential to lose respect from people. It's not an eventuality that I offend at least as many as I sway.

But that's pointless, because anyone that thinks less of me for being opinionated isn't fit to polish my boots as far as I'm concerned and their opinion of me means absolutely nil.

I don't respect people who are scared to voice their real opinions and the only person whose respect I seek is mine.

"As someone who never expearianced any of this and has a very different standpoint on the issue, you are only making me like you less"

Here's the problem - the opinions being shared by all of the new 101st members mean very little to us because you weren't around when the split happened and have no idea what you're talking about. Zero was super shady, so whether or not that's the Zero that you know, there are real reasons for the way we feel about him too. Unless you like your private skype conversations being spied on and shared with others without your consent, then I guess we're way out of line.

Outlaws leaving was the best thing that could have happened to 101st - we tried very hard to work something out to stay, and Lynx panicked when they realized we weren't bluffing and were really leaving. They immediately invited half of us to join Lynx, and then when we all said no and left anyways, they clearly realized that they'd dropped the ball on their relationship with 101st. Of course they're going to rebuild it on rainbows and unicorns. You're welcome.

I agree with Lin

Go to https://www.warlight.net/Forum/205389-cl-101outlaw-committe-discussion !

What does Zero and his behaviour have for a value in this case?
Right, none. I do not know the turn of events of this skype thing and if it is like it is written here, I discountenance this behaviour and personally if I would had to decide, I would have voted for a kick. But this story is over and irrelevant for this topic and even more for this thread.

I will comment on the current case here:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/205389-cl-101outlaw-committe-discussion

Edited 10/18/2016 08:26:19

Mommy I gave someone my password and he hacked my other accounts! It's not my fault!

fI probably know Zero most considering I mentored him in his early levels (13 to be exact)

You weren't there Semicedevine when 101 was left by me, Instead you are getting a probably a biased story since the word toxic is there.. But yeah I recruiting Zero, MarkusBM , Tacky and styxie was leaving it in ruins and very toxic.

Recruiting threads of Lynx off 101 yes Zero did this. Recruiting Njord and Benny during the time I told Lynx we were leaving. Also him recruiting virtually every ! member without going through me behind my back.

So, Yes I know Jack about Zero and I know he won't respond on this thread cause he knows this is true and will probably play the victim card in private.

ForK the leader of 101 claiming I colluded with the council this drama!a stirring behaviour is disgusting and the fact he has not appeared to realise his actions is very childish and moronic. How people can accept this behaviour especially from a clan? Then we have Marseilles
Trying to spark a boycott the clan league for next season. And also the begging of forcing a vote in the game chat of a entirely different topic.

Credit to the players from Lynx (Andy and Dom) who wrote good opinions without making silly comments.

The sad thing from all this Lynx took no action on Zero and encouraged this by no action.

If you guys stop posting crap about us which is fake I wouldn't be posting wasting my time.

Edited 10/18/2016 15:55:29

Platinum, please go over grammar and spelling again and then post here: https://www.warlight.net/Forum/205389-cl-101outlaw-committe-discussion.

Thank you!