I feel really bad what happened in Orlando earlier this morning. I think it's better for the world to unite as one and fight this danger whatever it is. I remembered Paugers once saying he was bisexual. What if he was present at that gay bar during the shooting? He could've been a victim. And Florida is by coincidence also one of the places in the world that I secretly like to visit...
Killing people because of their sexual preferences is just plain wrong, yet it is legalised in some countries... I'll never understand why people take religion so seriously that they want to see actual blood being shed.
@Benjamin: Probably. Shooter called 911 to pledge his allegiance to ISIS and then shot up an LGBT nightclub.
That said, hopefully this doesn't get hella politicized to the point we forget the victims like we did in San Bernardino. Please don't jump on this as an opportunity to peddle any agendas you might have about guns, a dislike of gays, or your views on America's national security and Islamic terrorism- at least don't forget about the victims, don't forget that they're real people who died at the hands of another human and not just characters in some political narrative. I'm really sad that I have to say this, but there's already been a lot of self-congratulations and "I knew I was right about the Muslims" as well as "We need to ban guns now" at the expense of caring about the victims as real people and trying to help them.
This is the worst mass shooting in American history and the third worst mass shooting ever, with 53 people dead. Almost certainly a hate crime and a terrorist act, but let's not forget that this is most importantly a massive human tragedy and we need to remember the victims.
If you live in Florida near the Orlando area, please donate blood. There's a huge need for it right now. OneBlood is apparently at capacity right now, but they're asking for donors in the coming days. You can really help save a life with just an hour of your time.
@Kynte The victims are dead.Thinking about them or praying for them ain't gonna bring them back. I say let's politicize the hell out of it and actually talk honestly about the root causes of such shootings. Maybe that way some solutions can be found to prevent the next shooting.
Please don't jump on this as an opportunity to peddle any agendas you might have about guns, a dislike of gays, or your views on America's national security and Islamic terrorism- at least don't forget about the victims, don't forget that they're real people who died at the hands of another human and not just characters in some political narrative.
@125ch209: I'm not asking you to pray for them or to keep them in your thoughts. There's real life medical needs for the survivors, coupled with- as you noted- whatever problems helped this tragedy happen.
But there's a definite risk of abusing this to promote personal agendas- it's already happened with a few politicians, including (unfortunately) the Lt. Gov. of my state. If you feel an urgent need to stop this from happening again, that's great- but don't go the route where you use these victims as simple characters, like people do with starving African children to criticize anything from capitalism to religion. At least remember that we're still dealing with real people who suffered real losses, whose stories were prematurely ended by the knowing and willful act of another person.
My first thought after any disaster is about the people- about how to help the survivors and the victims' families and communities recover from the tragedy and how to stop this from happening again. I'm just hoping it's the same for others, that they don't immediately jump on these deaths to validate a pre-existing agenda, especially one of hate.
On that note, I'm way too far away from the area to donate blood. Anyone from the area know any way I can help?
Thinking about the victims ain't gonna do shit. The tragedy has already happened. It's time to talk about how to prevent this from happening again, and again, and again, as it seems to be doing right now...
Perhaps guns aren't the problem... but the people who carry them are.
If you give a decent, sane man a gun, he won't be using it to slaughter schoolchildren. The problem is that people who are either on criminal watchlists or mentally unstable are acquiring guns, and doing this.
Banning guns is not the answer. But having it be required that you have a background check/learn how to responsibly use it is something I'd support.
I'm not sure what you want to do, Path Obvious. You can't ostracize religious folk, it'd just be you getting ostracized on account of there being more of them than you. You can't ban it, though it'd be pretty funny seeing the governments of the world abolish themselves trying to do that.
If you're talking about bigotry in general, well, most bigots don't attack folk, and they tend to just have different opinions, so I don't see why we should mass oppress them.
Just recall that over 150k folk die each day - this, and pretty much every dreadknight attack except the September 11 attacks are all very small in the big scheme of things. While I do think it's bad that 50+ folk died in Orlando, I think it's far worse that there's 150k more folk dead today.