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The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 18:39:43


Major General Smedley Butler
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I have never gotten the gall of folk who ask for how anarchism will work. Anarchism wasn't responsible for WW1, WW2, the cold war, the war on terror. Anarchism wasn't responsible for slavery, serfdom, indentured servitude or other forms of forced labor. Anarchism wasn't responsible for the Armenian Genocide, Holocaust, or Holodimir. So the burden of providing proof, rests with statists, and they must provide proof for the value of organizing society through violence (government). Proof that government can be moral, peaceful, efficient and just, since it has seemed to be the opposite throughout history.
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 18:42:36


Onoma94
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*yawn*
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 18:44:21


Angry Koala
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Anarchism wasn't responsible of this because anarchism was never implemented at all and never proved to work. Anarchism is an utopian ideology, and you Major you live in a baby world, give me evidence that anarchism proved to work in history, then we could discuss.
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 18:45:09


knyte
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> trying to argue politics on a site where people come to play online Risk instead of finding an actual political forum where the people who care aren't crazy Belarusians
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 18:45:55


adrian waco
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u seem to misunderstand basic human nature

this is just how humans act

removing government doesnt remove human nature

lol
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 18:50:25


Eklipse
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>Dissing people for talking about politics
>Was cheerleading for Hillary Clinton on another thread

"Only idiots argue about politics on a game forum. Unless I'm the one doing it, then it's fine."
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 18:51:56


Major General Smedley Butler
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You need proof for governance first
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 18:55:45


knyte
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Was cheerleading for Hillary Clinton on another thread


I was responding to The Lord's thread, just to (*collects $hill paycheck*) correct the record. You don't exactly see me regularly starting shit and cluttering the OT forum.

Point is, if you're looking for a real debate on whether or not the state should exist, there's tons of better communities for that than Warlight OT. I have no idea why you'd decide to make the same argument a billion times here unless you just want to clutter OT.

Edited 5/23/2016 18:58:20
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 18:58:45


adrian waco
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ppl naturally form governments

it part of human nature
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 18:59:03


Major General Smedley Butler
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Yeah the OT forum should be for ..... this is what the OT forum is for, to keep this off the main fora.
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 19:03:52


knyte
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But you can still clutter OT by, I don't know, making a dozen threads on the same topic.
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 19:06:13


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* Yawns *
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 19:12:41


Major General Smedley Butler
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Well I suppose you have a point there. Well, this will probably be the last "government is bad(hey the conspiracy guy found a Friedman book)" thread for a while.
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 19:46:11


Lordi
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You cannon just say that because states fought world wars, therefore statism is bad. You have to provide a better alternative. If you cannot provide a model that works even in theory, then discussion is pointless.
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 19:47:07


adrian waco
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the alternative is abolish it all and live in anarchy and since ppl r good everything work together
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 19:50:11


Lordi
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sounds gud

MGSB agree with ppl r good solution?

Edited 5/23/2016 19:53:53
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 20:10:34


adrian waco
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anarchists should go to somalia and live out their fantasy

then report back on how it went out
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 20:12:29


Cata Cauda
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anarchists should go to somalia and live out their fantasy

then report back on how it went out

You are confusing Anarchy with Civil War.
Anrchy doesnt essentially have to lead to Civil War, but unfortunately it often does.
Anarchy (Like Communism) only works in smaller populations like tribes, villages or families. While in structures with millions of people it (almost) always causes disorder.

Edited 5/23/2016 20:17:10
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 20:14:54


Genghis 
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Government hasn't wiped out 2/3 of the population of earth, government hasn't wiped out the universe, government hasn't purged the earth of almost half of its life.

There's a lot of things government hasn't done that is bad, we can play the same game.
The burden of proof is on you, statists.: 5/23/2016 20:15:48


Genghis 
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The fact is, for every point you bring up that anarchism hasn't done, there's 3 things that government hasn't done. In fact, there's an infinite number of points to bring up about each pro-anarchism point if we used "haven't" arguments, due to the nature of infinity and "haven't".
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