I think the overall changes are good:


- the 1v1 ladder stays the way it is, I think even though I like the old ladder template more, it's not great to have luck for ladders

- 2v2 ladder with 3 picks is an improvement, let's see if my team can keep the good position with it xD

- 3v3 ladder, I disagree that it should stay the way it is, the results are terrible for the actual template; in my opinion a new poll should be made about it, 50%+ want a change or don't care about the current template. That should be enough to make a new poll for it, with new templates proposed to whether replace the EU template or not, one I personally don't like too much, and would like to see alternatives to.

- Seasonals, I don't know the template, but I guess it's not a big problem

- Real-time ladder had some good overall changes, but I'll disagree with the LD template and commanders, as said before, LD is too long in turkey, and I believe it will remain too long in France; I'm also not a big fan of repeated maps, 1 France map is good, 2 is meh. For commanders, I don't hate the setting, but I think it's unfair to non-members that can't practice on it, take it out or offer a way for them to play it without having a membership.


Other good ideas I'd love to see implemented:

- More templates for the MD ladders, 5 for the 1v1, 3 for the 2v2 and 2 for the 3v3 could be a great addition. It's often a bit boring to play the same template over and over there, so new templates will make it more challenging as well as funnier.

- A RT-ladder with more templates should be fun too 15, or even 20 templates will make every game a different one, everyone would need to adapt to the templates, and it will be a very interesting ladder.

- Map plurality would be great, please avoid having a lot of templates with the same map/very similar ones, it creates confusion when it comes to settings (I always need to check twice when I'm playing medium earth for the RT-ladder) and it doesn't offer the discovery of new good maps to players.

- Maybe polls on the way ladders work themselves? I think it's unfair that the current ladder system is so easy to make runs on, that games could expire a bit faster (3/4 months?) and that after a certain ammount of games (maybe 100?), the first ones should expire. It's frustrating to be unable to grow on the ladders because you had bad games a few months ago compared to how well you improved since then. The current system made me drop out of the 1v1 ladder and start a run with an alt, 2 things I doubt is great for the ladder itself.

sad to see both france swap ins on the RT ladder. prefer turkey LD and heavy earth to both france scenarios. :(

apart from that it would be nice to increase the number of tempaltes on the realtime ladder to 15 as benjamin and timinator suggested.

I've been talking to MoD some time ago and he pointed there is a way to improve France template a bit. Remove abandon, add one airlift, lower one of the bonuses value (some on the north)

Here it is after changes, so use whichever you like (I doubt Fizzer reads it but still worth to try...)
. template: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=833999
. game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=11091092

polls are the new toilet

I really hope we can continue to vote on the seasonal. While there are a few things I would like changed on all the ladders, I am happy that the seasonal results were taken into account.

I like local deployments, but they are really not good for RT games. I agree 100% with Timinator that MA would be a better niche setting for RT than LD, since the games don't have the same potential to drag on forever.

Yeah HHH of course that saddens me... but it was expected since new players probably never played wr before and don't even know it.

Overall the ladders got definitely improved. I'd love to see the local deployement template switched out with a multiattack template.

I also strongly support the idea of adding more templates to the rt ladder!

I want to lick your tears, mod

When is Season XXIV scheduled to start?

i truly think this poll was ridicoulus.
here are my reason:

The suggested changes for 1v1 and 3v3 ladder were straight up bad (in fact big major voted for keep them as they are..) and 2v2 ladder wasn't possible for 4 picks, but only for 3. So 2v2 ladder still sucks up as picking stage is unbalanced.

I won't argue with seasonal template, most of them are new and i never played them, so cannot judge.

I'd like to keep a Local Deployments and a Commander template on the RT ladder

They got VERY LOW average vote, still you want those BAD setting in the ladder. Switch map won't help. I don't understand the point to keep those setting in the ladder when major part of the user dislike them.

After another poll, 2v2 ladder setting are still unbalanced (a little better but still you cannot cover the whole map and you must rely un luck on pick).

3v3 ladder still miss attack only setting.

Real time ladder still have some arguable template with LD and commander which they got downvoted :/

I honestly don't care much as i am not playing much, but i really think there should be made some changes to template. Those changes take few clicks ^^

+1 Gnuffone. I personally voted to change both 1v1 and 2v2 ladders, but 3 picks each in 2v2 gives a lot of pick luck.

3v3 Ladder still needs Attack-Only.

RT Ladder still has 2 bad for RT templates. Fizzer can like LD all he wants, I don't see Fizzer playing the ladders.

That is true ofcourse. I asked several times if Fizzer will follow the results no matter what they are...didn't get an answer ofcourse.

3v3
If you give options like leave the current map/change it(to which) it is clear no map can beat the one used atm.

1v1
SR was safe from the beggining but to be safe Fizzer added third option so that WR has even less votes (if someone doesn't care he doesn't have to vote there - simple)

2v2
Here the situation looks the best though I don't remember Fizzer asking what options to put in the poll, hence conplainments about why 3 not 4.

RT
Needless to say it is a joke. You would like to play something else but if this settings already exist, we must use them somewhere...
I thought Fizzer was against complicated settings unfamiliar to newbies.
Seems I was wrong again

EDIT: And the most important thing on RT, changing the number of templates, didn't even deserve his comment as far as I can see.

It is just sad.

Edited 5/8/2016 22:45:03

I bet commanders are still there so that people have more incentive to become members.

To be quite frank, this IS Fizzer's creation, he can largely do with it what he will regardless of everyone else's opinions. Its fine (though maybe not wise) to disagree with the playerbase over what changes are needed. However, this kind of game in particular will attract more intelligent people. Someone will probably find reasonable basis to claim that the players are intentionally being manipulated to "agree" with what the creator actually wants. Even if it is not actually true, if most circumstantial evidence points to such,then the players have no reason to have faith in the creator. If done again, most intelligent, informed players will probably ignore future attempts to "connect" with the player base.

Another issue of manipulation is the very bad CLOT framework. Here are things that Fizzer needs to do ladder-wise:

1. Allow players to run their own CLOT for 10-20 or 30$ a month, allow cost to be split between players.

10$ package can support up to 10 players and up to 5 templates.
20$ package can support up to 25 players
and up to 10 templates.
30$ package can support up to 50 players and up to 25 templates.

All CLOTs would use the same rating system as the RT ladder, and you can chose between RT (3 min 8 banked) and MD (3 days)

CLOTs are advertised on a separate page. Everything else is the same as the ladders.

2. A second 1v1 Ladder, using the Strat ME 0%WR settings.

3. Add atleast 10 new templates to the RT Ladder, keep the commanders and LD (just 1 each) so the chances are lower. The whole point of the RT ladder is to have a lot of templates (and to be RT), so we should have atleast 20.

4. Change all (1v1, 2v2, 3v3) of the ladders from having games expire after 3(or is it 5?) months, to having games expire after it is their 51th non-expired game. This would OBLITERATE stalling. When implemented, every player with more than 50 games would have all their games expire, but no other games would.

3,4 - make sense :)
EDIT: I am not saying the other two does not. I just have mixed feelings about thouse.

Edited 5/8/2016 23:49:00

ofc 3 makes sense to you ur addicted to real time ladder sultan!

Edited 5/9/2016 00:02:08

On the topic of Fizzef Stalin:

I'm quite happy with the result of this. Yes, it won't please everyone, that's how voting is. I would have preferred 4 picks in the 2v2 ladder but if you add in too many options per setting then it becomes too complicated, what if 30% of people voted each for 3 and 4 picks, and 40% of people voted for 2 picks?

As for RT ladder, I don't think keeping LD is that big a deal. The whole point of this ladder is a variety of templates with different settings. Although, I would prefer there to also be a MD ladder with multiple templates, and then move LD to that ladder, since it can occasionally get annoying to play LD in RT (but from experience, it's not as bad as people are making it sound). I don't care one way or another if commander templates are included.

I am also not sure if the number of templates should increase or not, that might be a good subject for another poll. The problem with increasing the number of templates is that it will become much harder to play enough games on each one to get good enough to even attempt to compete.

@Python, nobody asked for 3 picks. About 70% of the community wanted 4 picks, so it would be even more bias than it was for 3 picks.

-Thx for the poll!
-Pls no multiatack pls
-if u need LD then on a small map but better without LD ;D
- i think Riso of Rome could have competed with Europe in a fair vote