I second TeamGuns' suggestion. It will produce a result more satisfying to the most people, and Duel 1v1 Strategic will be right out.

I assume fizzer will be looking at the templates themselves first and just choose the best options for each of them to ensure he gets the templates on the ladders he would like to play himself the most so getting a diplo template will never work in this case unless it's like a balanced one for a FFA seasonal which i assume most players will be voting against for sure.

Seasonal - EoC High Picks

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10821603

Real time ladder templates:
1. Machiavelli's Rome - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=834001
. game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10874147

2. France LD - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=833999
. game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10885159

3. Ancient China - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=833982
. game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10894277

4. Qina - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=833973
. game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10887159

5. Georgia Army Cap - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=833963
. game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10900188

6. Strategic Phobia - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=833525
. game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10905468

7. RAD-O§IL - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=833523
. game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10872159

8. Strategic Italy - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=747603
. game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10901814

9. MA Island of Atlas - https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=837347
. game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10915600


+ some of ones which are already in use
10.

I think the seasonal ladder should have things you don't normally see on the other ladders, so I have a couple submissions using limited full distribution, which is an idea that Sze started...


Seasonal Ladder ideas:

Great Lakes I - Limited Full Distribution
Game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9132887
Template: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=636221

Succession Wars - Lim Full Dist & Local Deployment
Game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10064677
Template: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=772829


*I cut the size of the Recon card pieces in half on the Succession Wars one though, as I find it harder to tell when you are truly losing with LD.

Edited 4/15/2016 13:30:38

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=780139
Castle commander LD
for seasonal

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10730381
Snowny Mountains MA
Real Time Ladder

Guys, link games not templates, otherwise fizzer just won't bother with your suggestion

First off, I'd like to say thanks a ton Fizzer, this has been requested for a long time. I know that you care deeply about the community's opinion, although sometimes it does not seem like it.

This seems stubborn and out of what you requested, but I would like to lead the tremendous effort to get 2 more picks per player on the 2v2 ladder. Games are long and boring, with two more picks the ladder would be much more strategic and fun, which is what the ladders should be, in my honest opinion.

Second, I would like to make large changes to the RT Ladder. This ladder has the potential to be the most fun, due to the complex variety of the multiple template system. Here is the templates that should NOT be changed at all, in my opinion:

1. Guiroma
2. Strategic Greece
3. Season V
4. Treasure Map
5. China
6. Season III - EA&O

The templates that should be added:

1. Season XXII - French Brawl

Game: See MoD Post

This template has quite some merit, being first introduced (I believe) by MotD for Szeweningen's 1v1 template contest, which it won. Then it was used in Season XXII, which was after the template contest.

2. Red Dead Redemption

Game: See MoD Post

I copied this from MoD's list, it is an excellent, fast and fun template that would be great for the RT Ladder.

3. Battle Islands LD

Game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10837230

You mentioned in the stream that you would like for there to be at-least one LD template, this is the best LD template for RT that I could think of. It's fast and fun.

4. Snow Mountains MA

Game: See MoD Post

The templates that should be changed:

Season I -> Strategic ME 0%WR - Season XXI

Game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9851117

Season XII -> No-LD Turkey

Game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9718543

Season VII -> Strategic Heavy Earth

Game: https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10835968

(I think this is for 2v2, so it would need a bit of adapting, not setting wise, but like team-making).

The templates that should be flat out removed:

1. Season XXIII

Bad change in my opinion, I would actually prefer the 1v1 Ladder settings here.

Edited 4/15/2016 17:22:16

^yeah, 2v2 ladder picks seems to be something he is VERY resistant to change. We had polls on this before, and more than %80 of people said they wanted additional picks on there. Despite that, he said he likes it as is. I have given up that fight, hope you continue it because most good players just avoid that ladder and have since the template was changed to final earth.

After templates are gathered, there will be a poll, for setting changes. Anyone with ladder access will be allowed to vote.

indibob, be sure to include a game link please.

2v2 ladder picks seems to be something he is VERY resistant to change. We had polls on this before, and more than %80 of people said they wanted additional picks on there.

We've never had an official poll on it. This will be the first time.

OK, thanks! We did have poll (perhaps not official by you), or maybe it was a discussion in a previous AMA.

At any rate, much appreciated. I think the map is cool (nice to have variety of earth maps on ladders). We just need the settings right to make it strategic.

^exactly. the map got voted in earlier. sadly the expected Settings weren't added to it. i really think the 2vs2 ladder map could be good with Fitting Settings.

Thanks a lot for taking our opinions on the ladders! The rt ladder has a huge potential for pure fun, but also strategic value. giving the community a poll is much appreciated

Fizzer, I think there are already a good amount of templates. If you can give us a number of templates that will be on the new RT ladder, that would be great, because I have over 40 templates that I can suggest.

map: Cidade de São Paulo
games:

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10947916

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=10945290

I wold like to see in real-time ladder

Edited 4/15/2016 19:23:19

@Benjamin, don't suggest all template that you have. Just the best ones - specifically the ones which are best for a short (less than 30 minute-long) game.

The more templates the better ladder (RT) in my opinion. Playing same and same template is not about skill anymore (well, it is but not as much). You can just watch two or three games of how best player picked and played. I've played nearly 1500 games on that ladder and want something new! As I know new templates are not going to be changed soon, I would like as much of them as it is possible.

if you find many great templates i'd like to add those... i've played a lot of games on the rt ladder too a year ago and i like it with like 10 templates, but more GOOD ones would be fine too. Just hard to find them

Would be good if there was more templates or at least a good rotativity.

It would take hours to find games for all of these...

1v1	Auto Greece		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=513765
1v1	Atlantis		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=724537
1v1	Auto Earth		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=513723
1v1	Baltic Sea		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=497238
1v1	Battle Islands		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=681478
1v1 	Battle Islands LD	https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=831658
1v1	Belarus			https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=667624
1v1 	Blind Greece		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=827528 - No Good RT
1v1	Black Sea		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=698356
1v1	British Raj		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=724538
1v1	China			https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=515453
1v1	Czech Republic		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=667635
1v1	EA&O LFD		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=686992
1v1	European Brawl		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=777989
1v1	Europe LFD		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=681390
1v1	Fast Earth		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=442159
1v1	France			https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=475517
1v1	French Brawl		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=762592
1v1	Georgia Army Cap	https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=767878
1v1	Greater Middle East	https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=475518
1v1	Greece			https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=429584 
1v1	Greece LLFD		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=767877
1v1	Greece MA		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=831900 
1v1	Guiroma			https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=435244 
1v1	Heavy Earth		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=497241
1v1	Macedonia		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=490514
1v1	Macro Land		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=655711
1v1	Masteroma		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=381921
1v1	Medium Earth LFD	https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=669054
1v1	MME LD			https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=475488
1v1	New York		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=767876
1v1	Oxfordshire		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=767882
1v1	Pangea 			https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=755947
1v1	Poland			https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=772346 - No Good RT
1v1	Quina			https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=497215
1v1	Rad Osil		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=496689
1v1	Red Dead Redemption	https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=739796
1v1	Slow Earth		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=476990
1v1	Small Russia		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=417687
1v1	Snowy Mountains MA	https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=767881
1v1	Strat ME		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=417638
1v1	Strat MME		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=734876
1v1	Sumo			https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=497236 - Too Short ?
1v1	TTT Reverse 		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=493443 - Too Short ?
1v1	Treasure Map		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=755784
1v1	Treasure Map LD		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=475902 - ?
1v1	Turkey			https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=490524
1v1	Turkey LD		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=737227 - No Good RT
1v1	Turkish Brawl		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=822325
1v1	Volcano Island		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=497240
1v1	Warhammer		https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=429752
1v1 	Warring States China	https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=526674

Edited 4/15/2016 20:52:15