I quite liked the great lakes one, still WR will continue to die :P

This CL-Season looks like it will be the shittiest i've ever seen.

Complete bullshits of templates going to be played.

0% SR ME? what the heck? Even twice ?!

FE WR? Were voters on speed?

GL? I still hope it's a late aprils fool.


Seriously. Why we have to play on such bullshit instead of well proven, balanced templates? I bet suggestions for templates weren't even filtered/checked and just thrown into the voting process.


Good job on ruining the competition.

On what basis 3v3 Europe has Random move order?

Timinator, the supply of templates is not the job of the panel. I agree with you i don't like WR on final earth. But only straight round template provided was the ladder template. Which almost all people agree on should have more picks. If a template with 3 or 4 picks and sr was provided for the voting process i am almost certain that is the one that would have been voted on. Nevertheless your clan also voted the weighted random version of FE above the straight round template so maybe check your own votes next time before complaining about it

@seph no idea. probably because that is the template used previous seasons or someone provided a template with random move order. Not sure, but i will check with Chris. Cycle move order could be fixed if a majority of the players wants it

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Honestly, with the provided templates, FE shouldn't have made it in at all.

I do agree the WR versions are better than the 2 picks SR version, but they still suck ass.

I think many know ME WR is more strategic then MME SR but we for example have more chances in SR with Buns so we ve put it higher.

EDiT: Just an example of how people think.

EDIT2: This is becouse we don't vote on the best templates but on templates we have the most chances to win.

Edited 5/10/2016 19:22:10

It's really hard for me to support changes to the official list of templates at this stage... Practice tournaments already began in 101st and Lynx.

If one clan is allowed to vote again, then ALL clans should be allowed to vote again.

I think Sultan's statements are the exact reason having the clans vote on the templates is a bad idea.

And the templates weren't revoted on, FC votes were inputed incorrectly and were fixed. That resulted in changes to which templates were chosen.

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I think you misunderstand something. Nobody was allowed to vote again, french appeared to not have fully understood the rules of voting. (which can happen with non-native english speakers. I also had to read it twice to be sure i understood it correctly and my english is certainly not bad). You can say Chris should have published the votes sooner so french could have complained faster, which would be a solid point. But he didn't and in the end its fair if the templates will be played that are actually voted on most.

Seriously, can we fucking decide at once which templates we're playing in??? I've wasted a lot of time trying to figure out final earth 4x3 WR, then it changed. OK, no problem. Then GL changed.

And now strat ME is out and GL changed once again. Seriuously, a month to vote on the templates and then they keep being changed every 2 days. I'm mostly patient to this kind of stuff, but as Ox said, this a complete joke. Am I supposed to keep trying to learn weird templates if they're gonna change tommorow? Or I stop training all at once? That's just so frustrating...

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Fuck you and your politics

Turtles will have a field day lol

Seriously, can we fucking decide at once which templates we're playing in???

Sure we can, but now you blame only us for this mess. Don't forget it were the people here (in particular your own great leader) that pushed Chris into a premature publishment of a template list while we we still deciding on what tiebreaker to use.

I've wasted a lot of time trying to figure out....

If you want to reach the point where you can compete with the top tier players its never a waste of time to study new templates. They will learn you to adapt easier te new settings

Neh, I don't blame only you, everyone is to blame on this, and to be frank you're the only person trying to explain to the other players what's going on.

Whoever voted for the bad templates on the first place, whoever explained bad the voting rules or didn't understand them, and the time to finally publish the templates. As you said the mistakes could've been found before had the templates been published earlier.

But I do think it's frustrating. I just ask to please stop changing the templates at some point...

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Gais, keep in mind this is a volunteer effort. If you thought dealing with unhappy/difficult to please customers at work was hard...just imagine if you weren't paid and the customers wanted the brochure before the product was finished being decided by a committee. :p

Seriously though, it sounds like things are settling, chillax. Last I heard there was something close to a month before the next Clan League was likely to start - no reason peeps can't practice templates over, especially if they want to be top notch. IF you don't like the templates, then afaik there is no reason you can't have a discussion with whoever ultimately votes (maybe with everyone???).

That being said, it does feel like more transparency/open communication would be good, though I know some peeps are pretty busy already.

Nothing like thankless volunteer work to make events end abruptly - (I should know, I've been there).

There should be tough rules. The deadline stated from the beggining.

If your votes come 2 minutes after deadline - sorry, they won't count.
If your votes are not formated in a way they should - - sorry, they won't count.

I am lazy but tried to find the rules of CL8. Would anyone be so kind and suply me a link?

page 1 of this thread :P

+1 Sultan, that's what created the hole mess in the first place. When creating the tourneys, you should also put a deadline to join them; let the clan leaders police their players and have a zero tolerance rule.

Also, I need to make a question here, and then I promise I will stop being a pain in the ass.

Ollie, you said we will have:

Strat ME 0% SR http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=422053

So it's really Strat ME with straight round and not the new ladder Strat MME right?

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I take pleasure in playing. I take pleasure in helping to run a good competition for everyone here. But I do not like

French have complained faster, but we have not done all a matter. Chris just do that not so fast. Chris has also other things to do. I missunderstood the vote system and I apologize for this. Chris decided to change that after published this maybe he didn't see my message before, he has other things to do. But TeamGuns are right, it's a mistake and lead to a lot of frustration. Human mistake, not really important by the way.

But French Community doesn't really care of that. All my clan didn't really answer other thing that "let it go" when I talk to them about template votes. I have taken 20-30min of my time to vote this and give the list on time. But we didn't re-voted anything.

No one in FC knows Great Lakes before, and we did't get the best templates we wanted. Anyway, this give some novelty. Why not after all. Always play on the same things without being endangered by the change, it's not how we can progress.

Maybe FC will down in B, but we will give our best without complain because the process was fair. Please dudes. Stop to be a French heckler. If you have some "dreams" about this competition, come to help us to run it and don't be ungrateful.

Everyone could submit the template they wanted in time before votes, and every clans in A has voted. A clans was supposed to have the hability to vote for "the good templates". Some of us wanted novelty. Some other wanted their usual templates. So now here we are.

This is democraty. You have voted, or you didn't, but this is YOUR results. Deal with it. No need to insult anyone else. Blame yourself.