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The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 01:59:32


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shut up Major General Smedley Butler. I realize you hate patriotism and Western exceptionalism, but don't blame proud patriots for people dying.
The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 03:07:08


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"Their" government is "their" problem. Syrians are citizens and thus responsible for their government's policies and actions. We cannot assume responsibility for an internal civil war that we had nothing to do with.


No, "their" government is not their problem. I can't stop my government from killing me, and I definitely do not think I am responsible for my own death if the government kills me. If I was responsible, tell me, how should I go on, doing what is constitutionally legal, without getting killed by the government for dissent? Even in a perfectly democratic country where every vote counted and anyone could become leader, and so on, there's still going to be 1to50% folk who will not like it, and did what they could against it, but failed. What do you suggest to do there? I most certainly think that denizens should not be held accountable for their government's deeds. And this war is a great part America's responsibility, from misdeeds in Iraq to directly training the Mashriq and other rebel groups.
The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 03:16:21


Major General Smedley Butler
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Jai said Syrians are responsible for their governments, so that applies to Americans. And Americans are apparently fine with thousands being killed.

I don't actually believe this, I'm just applying his logic to Americans.
The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 04:01:38


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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You've caused the deaths of thousands, because you're American.

So sue me. You're distorting my point.

No, "their" government is not their problem.

You guys must live in bubbles.

This comes from http://journal-neo.org/2015/12/20/bashar-al-assad-the-democratically-elected-president-of-syria/

“Butcher”; “thug”; “dictator”; “murderer”; “savage”; “tyrant”; “oppressor”; “despot”. These are just some of the words that many in the Western world associate with the Syrian President, Bashar al-Assad, after four years of incessant and hypnotic war propaganda. Democratically elected leader of a sovereign country however, is not a narrative the propagandists want to be circulated. The 2014 election in Syria is an event that the ‘Ministry of Truth’ in the West desperately wants to be memory-holed, as it runs in stark contrast to the narrative they are still trying to inculcate in the minds of the public.

In June of last year, Assad won Syria’s Presidential election with 88.7 percent of the vote, in the country’s first multi-candidate election in almost five decades. In a country which had a population of 17,064,854 in July 2014 (according to an estimate from CIA World Factbook), over 10 million people voted for Assad. 73.42 percent of the Syrian population voted in the election, with voting only taking place in government controlled areas.

A group of international observers emphasized that the election was a valid and democratic expression of the views of the Syrian people. Predictably, Western nations denounced the election as a sham and a fraud, with US Secretary of State, John Kerry, calling the election afarce a few months prior to the vote.

Despite the efforts of the Western establishment to delegitimize the election, it is obvious that Assad has popular support in Syria. The Western narrative – which claims that Assad is an insane dictator who butchers his own people – is illogical, as if this was true, Assad would have been ousted years ago."


The Syrian people elected for Al-Assad and they are thus responsible for the tyranny he has created. I will support to the death the decision of other Muslim countries to depose Al-Assad, but the US has no role and no interest in removing a democratically chosen President simply because he doesn't listen to us.

Edited 2/7/2016 04:02:11
The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 04:06:27


Major General Smedley Butler
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I am not distorting your point, now stop giving weapons to ISIS.
The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 04:14:35


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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You've lost all validity in this discussion with the use of sarcasm.

Edited 2/7/2016 04:15:06
The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 04:43:28


The Man Who'd Buy Spain
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This is the most a rant thread of mine has been commented on.
The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 05:00:56


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You've caused the deaths of thousands, because you're American.

So sue me. You're distorting my point.


He's not distorting it, he's applying it. You are to be held responsible for the tortures at the black sites, responsible for the human rights abuses in Iraq, responsible for killing and killing so many.

You guys must live in bubbles.

This comes from http://journal-neo.org/2015/12/20/bashar-al-assad-the-democratically-elected-president-of-syria/

“Butcher”; “thug”; “dictator”; “murderer”; “savage”; “tyrant”; “oppressor”; “despot”. These are just some of the words that many in the Western world associate with the Syrian President, Bashar al-Assad, after four years of incessant and hypnotic war propaganda. Democratically elected leader of a sovereign country however, is not a narrative the propagandists want to be circulated. The 2014 election in Syria is an event that the ‘Ministry of Truth’ in the West desperately wants to be memory-holed, as it runs in stark contrast to the narrative they are still trying to inculcate in the minds of the public.

In June of last year, Assad won Syria’s Presidential election with 88.7 percent of the vote, in the country’s first multi-candidate election in almost five decades. In a country which had a population of 17,064,854 in July 2014 (according to an estimate from CIA World Factbook), over 10 million people voted for Assad. 73.42 percent of the Syrian population voted in the election, with voting only taking place in government controlled areas.

A group of international observers emphasized that the election was a valid and democratic expression of the views of the Syrian people. Predictably, Western nations denounced the election as a sham and a fraud, with US Secretary of State, John Kerry, calling the election afarce a few months prior to the vote.

Despite the efforts of the Western establishment to delegitimize the election, it is obvious that Assad has popular support in Syria. The Western narrative – which claims that Assad is an insane dictator who butchers his own people – is illogical, as if this was true, Assad would have been ousted years ago."

The Syrian people elected for Al-Assad and they are thus responsible for the tyranny he has created. I will support to the death the decision of other Muslim countries to depose Al-Assad, but the US has no role and no interest in removing a democratically chosen President simply because he doesn't listen to us.


And what international organisations are trustworthy on this kind of stuff? They're going to either be payed either/and be threatened if they don't fulfill someone's agenda. And they say how could the Syrian state live on so long without popular support? A country doesn't need popular support as long as it has a powerful, loyal army. The foreign support is nice, too. Also, I bet if you held these elections in other, non-government controlled sites, you'd have the elections be most toward whoever holds the land. And the article says that all the fighting in Syria has come from foreign, while that is a big bit, it's probably at most, half. It started in 2011 as purely a denizen revolt, which turned bloody, and whether began by government, or folk, it's clear that the government is being hated here. Just looking it up, I can see one big undemocratic thing, that is a requirement for voting: being Muslim.

And even then, even if it was all democratic, I already addressed that. And the US most certainly has interests in removing or absorbing its foes and dissenters, not important democratic or not. The great majority of countries nowadays are not democratic, though.

Edited 2/7/2016 05:09:01
The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 08:16:48


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What is this cancer?
The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 10:13:15


SirSalty
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5 nerds trying to prove America are not as genocidal as you may think.
The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 17:03:36


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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genocidal

You do understand the meaning of this word right?

Genocide - intent to systematically eliminate a racial, ethnic, religious, linguistic, cultural or national group

Clearly you don't understand the meaning of this word if you're applying it to the US. Maybe instead of criticizing US history you should so some soul searching about your own country's genocidal past...oh yeah I remember one right now:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/aug/24/india.randeepramesh

The fact the British Raj killed about 10 million Indians in 10 years. Moral and historical relativism matters.
The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 17:03:58


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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Edited 2/7/2016 17:04:10
The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 17:06:20


Жұқтыру
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Sir Salty isn't trying to convince you of Britain's greatness, just of America's badness.
The Martian Rants: Syria. Again.: 2/7/2016 17:07:06


[AOE] JaiBharat909
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And I'm telling him America hasn't committed Genocide in regards to the Middle East.
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