@Zephyrum: Thanks, that does help illuminate things. :-)

Democratic or not, there's always someone who disagrees with their leader. Always. In a "democratic" clan in WarLight, if that happens, the person just leaves. Basically, if they disagree with the majority, they just ignore the majority and go away.

Because of that, democratic clans *always* have a large amount of leavers compared to others in WarLight.

Do you consider this a good thing overall, or a bad thing? Do you think it is realistically possible to come up with a democratic clan that covers enough bases (like having a procedure for dealing with an inactive leader, in your example) that it could overall attract more people than it has leavers at any given time? In other words, do you think it's realistically possible to have a functional democratic clan? (i.e. The democratic part is functional; I know there are lots of clans that are 'functional' if not necessarily 'democratic'.)

Democracy would only last until someone stops being democratic...

The most stable government on Warlight is Darklords, Dictatorship with only one person with MR, there is no way that whatever little government they have can be taken over.

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Well the USSR's gouvernment system is quite authoritarian, but it worked very well

Well at least it fits you clan motif out of curiosity how many real commies are in you clan?

These Senate's and attempted at democracy seem quite fun but they're destined to fail eventually. They also come off as the product of a love for bureaucracy.

Also what does the head proctor do again?

How does the Minor proctor recruit people with out MR rights

Why can the head procator campaign for senate and procator?

How many people have MR? Just the Head proctor or all of senate?

(The constitution still doesn't answer all these questions)

Continuing the derailment of this thread, I'd like to say what type of management I think is most efficient in a clan. While authoritarian systems are efficient, what if the one leader proves to be inefficient? Autocracies are only as good as their leader.

In the case of CORP, we did have a supreme ruler that could (in theory) do whatever he wanted, when he wanted, and overrule anybody else's decisions. He didn't use these powers (frequently), and now he's effectively gone into inactivity. So, we now no longer need his approval for making decisions, and he is now the "nominal leader" of the clan. He still has MR (in true CORP fashion), and he is still in the Gunjikomon Council chat, but (in all honesty) the clan wouldn't be different without him.

Why do I think an oligarchic system is better in our case than autocratic? I think so, because we all agree that we wouldn't want one person calling the shots. Ideas are frequently discussed about amongst 4 people, before a small vote happens, and they are put into effect. Gunjikomons have exercised full power before, and that usually brought CORP down shit lane (examples: When Prab removed Copper in suspicion of being a Juq alt. When Ox removed muddles for... y'know). At this point we all agree that having no supreme leader isn't right for us.

All of those clans are miserable offshoots of The Lost Wolves. Wanna stabilization, join TLW.

Oligarchic/Polyruled Autocratic Clans work best because the most trusted people, chosen by the leader, make the decisions instead of the whole clan voting, which can lead to a 45/55 split with trolls (trols or trolls?) on the winning side leaving many people unhappy.

The true power behind the CORP commonwealth is ox's ambitions of dictatorship.

Blabla bla, how can you talk about unotable things like that. How can be a leader important. Usually he can do nothing, exceptions are payment things (ts severs or like that). Thats all for what a leader is really there. If a "leader" goes crazy, you only ignore him or kick him out of the clan, simple like with all the others.

Furthermore, it makes no sense anyway, that there are so many diffrent clans. And warlight miss a realtime chat were people can meet for a game and to know if someone is there or not. Its nearly impossible to make competetiv games this way. (clan wars) We miss a ladder for this anyway. Clan ladders.

Since nobody seems to want to help you, USSR would take you. We're organized, have little Drama, and relatively active. Send Darth Grover or Kyger a PM.

@MRSKILL One may or may not be in development currently.

Do you consider this a good thing overall, or a bad thing? Do you think it is realistically possible to come up with a democratic clan that covers enough bases (like having a procedure for dealing with an inactive leader, in your example) that it could overall attract more people than it has leavers at any given time? In other words, do you think it's realistically possible to have a functional democratic clan? (i.e. The democratic part is functional; I know there are lots of clans that are 'functional' if not necessarily 'democratic'.)

For a system to work perfectly, the ones with power must be as close to perfect as possible.

In an authoritarian system, only one person has to be nearing perfection.

In a democracy, EVERY person has to be nearing perfection.

So, in theory, yes, it can be effective, but it has to be a very restricted community with a small number of members (like Apex). The bigger and more open, the harder it is to control through democracy. Bigger and more open doesn't mean bad - just that more people involved is hard to control.

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On the subject of AOE, the democracy was sort of a time bomb because the clan was built over it. Lots of members moved there with the premise of having some power in their higher ups - these people are incredibly plentiful in WarLight. Not all of them, I speak specifically about 2~4 of them whose true intentions are pretty well hidden from the more naive people. Nothing hideous in that, since it's all just a game and people can have fun the way they want, but on the end of the day, these are the roots of the drama that hurts the fun so badly.

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I don't seek power... I'm just an rp'er, that's why I never joined AOE.

Btw, AOE stands for Associated Obese Excrements.

This is exactly what happened to Falcons and we never recovered

I think Potato's comment was hilarious

Personally, I think the idea of MR staying with one person is fine, even in a democracy-style clan. That way you can avoid UN/Marksman-esque situations.

But how's that a democracy then?

Saudi Arabia does that... it has this thing called an Advisory Council which is elected and creates and votes for legislation when asked by the King for specific things, and the Council of Ministers is basically the people that have manager rights, and every now and then they boot someone or destroy them just to show who's really boss... everyone knows who's really in-charge. It's this guy:



Full title:
His Royal Highness Deputy Crown Prince Muhammad Bin Salman Bin Abdulaziz Bin Abdulrahman Al Saud, Secretary General of the Riyadh Competitiveness Center; special adviser to the chairman of King Abdulaziz Foundation; Chief of the Royal Court; chairman of the Council for Economic and Development Affairs; adviser at the Experts’ Commission of the Council of Ministers; President of the King’s Court and Special Advisor to the King; Minister of State and member of the Cabinet; Chief of Royal Protocol; special advisor to the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques; Minister of Defense and Second Deputy Prime Minister.

Look, we're fixing our difficulties in AOE Senate. The Conservative leaving will soon have very little to do with our current situation. J willy 47 is an excellent Head Practor, and he is doing his best job to make sure we're the best clan in WarLight. Thank you.


-OEF