Notice how the thread is called "Benjamin628's Clan Rankings" not
"Unbiased Clan Ranking" or anything. GG is clearly the best 1v1 clan right now. 20 Plays Team games the best, particularly 3v3.

While I might not agree %100 with the rankings, I appreciate the fact Ben did them. too often on here I see noobs with terrible 'rating' systems. While they are all biased, this one is at least a rational ranking, even if we all might tweak it some.

Ben, would you care to elaborate why [20] are the best in team games? I'm not convinced with just the statement.

Edited 12/28/2015 17:07:02

Well it all depends on if you count inactives, I think that Sze, Odin & Myhand would beat ChrisCMU, Gnuffone & Summer or whatever WGs EU team is. If you don't count inactives, all you really have is Fridge (I guess he is out of retirement), Sze (top player in the game), Odin (top 10 player in the game), and Psy (better at team games than most). I'm sure someone could put together a team that would beat these guys, but it is looking very tough to beat them. Similar to GG, Latnox is a candidate for the top 1v1 player in the game, but he's gone. Mike is probably GGs top player right now.

myhand is currently in zero games and has zero points in the last 30 days. Counting him seems foolish. To win the clan league, they would need 5 active players, right now you can barely make a case they have 2 active players.

I'm not saying 20 is dead, but I also don't think you can just say "If they were active". If so, then you must also say IF Latnox is active for GG and IF marc is active for WG and IF grona/ultamaratio are active for apex and IF Darkpie is active for Lynx.

Just go with what the status of these clans are right now. No point in debating hypotheticals.

20 the clan has died. Sze's recruitment mail to piggy and others confirms this more or less. I paraphrase: "20 is a collection of top players more than a clan, join us and play clan league for anyone you want." That's not a cri de guerre of a clan.

Chris is right about inactivity. Hypothetical situations don't matter much. If you are a top clan, prove it by playing in clan league A. If you are an active top player, prove it by winning a few meaningful games every so often. 20 the clan is inactive. RIP.

If 20 the clan wants to prove something, make a tournament and invite GG, WG, Masters, Apex and the French. These are the only clans capable of winning clan league.

Ben, Sze is not "the top player." Please don't become another JSA fanboy. There is no top player in Warlight. Why? Because there is no metric to determine one and too many different game modes (LD, team, FFA, MA, 1v1, etc.), maps and settings (SR, WR, autodistribution, cities, warlords, open distribution, luck%, cards, etc.) that certain different top players do better at than others.

A comparison of Sze and me: I am better than him at FFA, LD, MA game modes. He is better than me at SR (his preferred setting). I am better than him at WR (my preferred setting). I am better than him at autodistribution, where pattern recognition seems to confuse him a bit. I think I am more comfortable with more cards than he is. I am better than him at the 1v1 and 2v2 ladders. He is better than me at the RT ladder. His comfort zone for settings and maps seems to be a bit more limited than mine. Is he better than me? Yes, sometimes. Am I better than him? Yes, sometimes. Who is better overall? It depends on what you look at and how much weight is given to certain things over others.

This type of comparison could be made for all top players. Not one is the best until somebody makes a tournament similar to clan league in which only top players participate ACROSS MULTIPLE SEASONS in order to increase the sample size. 20 has never been that tournament, since not once have at least 80% of the top active players participated using balanced rules/matchups.

So anyone who says any player is the best is naive.

Edited 12/28/2015 22:25:29

^ I was using the spammy awards as a source, but I suppose you are right - skill is subjective, and therefore clan rankings are very subjective.

You are the best Gui. lol

So Sze is trying to recruit people back to 20? They can come to WG instead :)

Edited 12/28/2015 23:00:21

I just found it funny you put CORP in the top 20 and not REGL :)
The rankings after the top 10 are too subjective I think - there noone knows enough about the clans to be able to rank them credibly. And VIW seems to be ranked 14 oddly often for some strange reason.

I completely forgot about REGL, sorry about that.

The mail thread is irrelevant now, was made quite awhile back

Source: Also had access to Piggy's account until Gui ripped it out of my innocent hands.

Shh, we're all Gui/Gnuffone/Fizzer alts

Edited 12/29/2015 06:17:37

I do think it is possible to determine a "Best Clan" per 1 certain template. For example have a competition for clans solely for 3v3 EU or 1v1 MME SR. 1v1 template competitions would be easiest but this coul be determined.... Though apart from bragging rights, what point is there to being "the best clan on warlight"?

^ I don't think being the best clan gives you bragging rights either

I agree, bragging is never good. GG's goal is also not "being the best clan on warlight", GG's only goal is making "being in GG" as much fun for top players as possible. Everything we do is for that goal only. :D

Our goal is to win every game and have fun with each other while doing it. Whether those wins equal the best clan...that is all subjective. All you can do is win the game in front of you.

Masters Goal is to make fun of Atom. if you want to do so too, join us!

Can I do it without joining? I remember carrying his lazy butt in the 20C league.

i'll ask the high council of masters (we can roleplay too!!!!!)