Congrats to both Masters and Turtles - really deserved those promotions. Good job XS too; shame your 3v3 team failed despite a strong showing from the rest of you guys.

Well, we will remain in group B :) Taking into account that Hennns and I had time problems to play in this league (and we were the top scorers in the last ones) I was afraid our position could be in danger ^^U So happy with the result.

Congrats to the winners ;)

Only thing left to do in this group is to try and drag MASTERS below 200 points!

Well done everyone ;) I'm pleased! I also find it amusing that everyone says "Congratz Masters and Turtles" and I'm reading it as "Congrats Master Turtle" 😂😂😂

Total Points:

CLAN          POINTS       POSSIBLE FINISH
Master        186          1
Turtles       163          2
XS            132          3
Warlighters   106          4
REGL          82           5
BIA           59           6-7
BR            57           6-7

Progress:

1v1   -   126/126   =>   100% complete
2v2   -   63/63     =>   100% complete
3v3   -   31/42     =>   74 complete
Total -   220/231   =>   95% complete

All 2v2s are now complete. Eleven 3v3 games remain. All places except 6 and 7 are locked in. So not much left to play for in this group.

That intense battle for 6th place though!

Since the promotion and relegation spots are wrapped up, it seems this might be the time to start talking about what happens to XS's spot next season. ONE will definitely be participating in the clan league, but it would be nice if we could have the spot in B, especially since we account for all players except one in XS's lineup and all of the points scored except for 3.

Yeah.. If it wasn't for that one player getting booted in all their games(11/12), XS had a really good shot at promotion too. So if it were up to me, ONE replaces XS(practically the entire clan migrated). I don't know how such cases were handled in the past, so that might have some bearing on the eventual decision.

ONE replaces XS

This will not happen. XS is still in group B and we are ready for the next season.

It's the members that define a clan, not vice-versa.
The clan tag XS still exists, however, none of the members who participated in Clan League 7 is in XS.
It is a whole new clan, with a whole new lineup. Don't let the XS tag fool you.

Maybe make bigger, 8-clan division B in CL8, this will allow XS and ONE to fight it out.

Imo, ONE as a new clan have to start from the bottom.

Edited 2/1/2016 05:34:32

Mistakes were made.
No reason to repeat them. ONE! should take XS' spot.

Edited 2/1/2016 05:34:42

@Peixoto: gg

I really enjoyed my first season in clan league and thank the organizers for the effort in putting this together.

I think what happens to XS and what happens to ONE! are two different issues.

As far as what happens to ONE!, I think that we'll eventually get to where we belong in the rankings ONE! way or another :) But I am obviously biased here, and would prefer to not have to wait ~1 year until ONE! may compete in division B again. Because I really enjoyed the games this season and the opportunity to play with these skilled players.

As far as XS, I think it may be time to set a new precedent. If a clan leader gets booted from virtually every game they play in the clan league, and then manage to lose every other player that represents their clan in the clan league, then I think that clan should forfeit their place in the clan league and have to start from the bottom (should they choose to re-enter clan league). This would prevent the organizers from wasting so much of their effort organizing tournaments for a clan who's leader obviously does not take the tournament seriously (by being booted several times and losing their entire clan roster).

Edited 2/3/2016 01:57:31

of course we could always shoot two birds with one stone, and challenge XS for the spot in the league :) .. more work for the organizers though!

I'm not really too familiar with the workings of the clans so forgive me if I've misunderstood anything. I've seen a number of people cite precedent without seeming to have had a huge experience of how precedent works in practice.

Precedent exists as an aid for decision making, to help reach a fair result. It is common for similar situations, but which are not identical, to have what is precedent interpreted in different ways to ensure reaching that fair result.

If the precedent reinforces what they feel is the right decision then they cite that precedent, and as a result that precedent gains strength and validity. If they believe something else is the right result, then they either ignore it as the situation was different, or if they think that previous precedent is no longer correct then they rewrite precedent.

For me the organisers of the clan league should be asking themselves a number of questions in order to determine the outcome of the ONE and XS dispute.



1. Has the nature and quality of the clan XS changed to a sufficient extent that it can be considered for all intents and purposes that it is now a different entity? As examples, I don't know what XS used to stand for, was it always Xtra Spicey? Has the clan logo always been flames or did it change? Has the the clan description and recruitment changed? If so have the changes resulted in the nature and quality of the clan becoming something alien to what went before.

2. Have any of the members of the clan XS played in the clan league before. It is a good thing to introduce new players to the clan league, but is the design and purpose of the clan league intended to create an environment where beginners to competitive matches play one sided matches, or to encourage matching the players of similar standard together?

3. What is the motivation for XS to wish play in the clan leagues? It is my understanding and apologies if I misunderstood, that the clan XS split with the previous leader being booted in nearly all of his games, and then all the players left to create ONE. Given the apparent lack of interest shown by the leadership of XS in the clan league, is there a genuine desire, and are they genuinely capable of competing in the clan league, or is there perhaps an ulterior motive behind entering the league?



A few people have been citing precedent in a way which is a manifest distortion of the way in which precedent works (at least within the British legal framework). Context is hugely importantly, and you do not simply state something similar happened there is precedent, Q.E.D.

It is the job of the organisers to consider this context and apply their understanding of what the clan league is attempting to achieve and then make a decision which is both fair and protects the interests of the clan league. If the situation in the previous case has different facts, then it is not in the interests of anyone to make a decision based on facts which relate to a different situation.



To put in a more concise way, if you think XS are now a noob clan and are just trolling ONE to stop them playing in the clan league, from a legalistic front you should replace them with ONE and for precedent you cite that the changes to XS were sufficient that it is no longer the same clan.

If you think there was a dispute between the clans, that XS are trying to rebuild, are dedicated to strategic game-play and are working hard to be ready for the next clan league then let them stay, and follow the previous precedent.

Rules exist to help us achieve a fair result. Not to force us to make bad decisions.

Edited 1/20/2016 09:59:22

Rules exist to help us achieve a fair result. Not to force us to make bad decisions.

You can not be more wrong here! Rules are so that people don't judge so subjectively

Though the fact is that there are no official rules stated anywhere. For the next season such should be published and precisely followed.

Edited 1/20/2016 15:08:33