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Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/20/2015 14:18:07


Ox
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His main was level 58.
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/20/2015 15:19:53


Waka 
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https://www.warlight.net/wiki/Levels#Levels_6.2B

that link and then go to lvl 43 and it says you can join RT ladder and post on ladder forum
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/20/2015 15:21:34


Angry Koala
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got it thanks again everybody.
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/20/2015 16:25:22


wolervine
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Bayern. I got to 43 on Friday, now I can do the ladder. I couldn't see anywhere it was written, though, but when I did think there was a message that I could now ladder.
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/20/2015 16:33:49

RvW 
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I wanted to delete my account at first, but seeing it was not possible in WL, I had no other solution than change randomly my password, so yeah this acccount is dead as I cannot sign in ahahah ^^'

Do you remember the email address you used to create the account, and do you still have access to it? If so: https://www.warlight.net/ForgetPassword

Who is that dumb and intentionally change to a random password?

I know at least one person who I consider to be anything but dumb who used this trick before. Nowadays it doesn't really work any more (just about every site has a password-reset option), but intentionally locking yourself out does seem like the next best thing when outright deleting an account is not possible.

Wait a second,you have to repeat it... So you know it. Lier.

While you cannot copy-paste from a password field (to Notepad or something), it's very much possible to enter some random gibberish in Notepad and then copy-paste it to a password field (and the repeat-password field).
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/20/2015 17:01:09


Angry Koala
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RvW I purposely changed my password and mail that way my account would be "dead", and well then why cannot we delete an account in Warlight RvW? Because I remember to have read somewhere that (at least in Europe according to the European Law) you have a right to delete an account in any website, do not let the right to delete an account or the right "to be forgotten" is against the law, just saying.
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/20/2015 19:02:19


DW: Soz, NGL, I Play SLOW. UV BN Warned! 
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Koala,
First, I'm sorry that people are going out of their way to be unhelpful and rude.
That's not cool.
In particular, I expect that my own clan mates would behave better.

Second, perhaps you could mail Mr. Fizzer about proving your identity
and getting your access back again.

Since you were intentionally trying to make it impossible to gain access,
he might be unwilling to help, but its worth a shot. :)

Edited 9/20/2015 19:03:27
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/20/2015 19:27:17


Ox
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Well, he did rename the account "(retired)" and it was level 58. It would take until level 63 to rename it again...
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/20/2015 19:30:00


Waka 
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you can change name with money or coins as well
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/20/2015 20:57:13

RvW 
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I purposely changed my password and mail that way my account would be "dead",

Oww... if you changed your email as well, I'm out of ideas, sorry. :(

and well then why cannot we delete an account in Warlight RvW?

I'm not Fizzer, so I cannot give a definite answer. However, I am a programmer and one possible reason would be database integrity. WL stores all games ever played *) and all forum posts. If you remove a player account, you cannot properly store a game in which that player played, same problem with forum threads in which that account posted. You could try some hacky semi-solutions, but chances are it will get very messy and not really work properly anyway.

*) Except map-testing games, for reasons which are actually kinda related to data integrity.

Because I remember to have read somewhere that (at least in Europe according to the European Law) you have a right to delete an account in any website, do not let the right to delete an account or the right "to be forgotten" is against the law, just saying.

I'm no lawyer, so please forgive me if there's some rough edges and I might get some details wrong, but in broad strokes:

The "right to be forgotten" applies to search engines. The idea behind the law is something like this:
Let's say person X gets arrested, for some reason their trial gets tons of media attention and after much stuff, they get cleared of all charges. A little while later, they apply for a new job. The HR department sees the resume, goes to Google and searches for "person X" (their name). First page is still filled with "Person X arrested on (very bad) charges" ("Person X innocent" gets buried on page 20+ or something)...
Now, asking the newspapers to remove all those articles from their archives would be bad (since it would mean censoring history). The "right to be forgotten" tries to address the issue by preventing search engines from returning "accurate, but no longer relevant (and unnecessarily damaging)" results.
I see no way in which the right to be forgotten could possibly apply to WL. Storing old games is just an archive and they are exactly the things which are not affected. (Also, it's a Europe-only right; with WL not having a European version, it would be very awkward to try to get it to comply with it. Keep in mind that even when a result gets removed from European versions of the Google index, it will still be found when you search on a non-European version of Google and/or from an IP address for which Google can determine it's non-European.

The law about removing accounts does (more or less) exist, except it's not about accounts, it's about personal information. Again, European law does not apply to Warlight, but even if it did (or, if the USA happens to have a similar law), it would not allow you to demand removal of the account, it would only let you demand the removal of personal information (such as zeroing out your email address; I'm unsure whether it would allow you to demand the removal of public chat and forum posts... I don't think so). A further restriction is that you can only demand removal if the information is no longer necessary; if you ever paid with a credit card, WL would be well within its rights (probably would be forced) to keep that information, because financial laws (accountability) require it.
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/21/2015 01:49:37


TBest 
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RvW is on point with most thing. I just never understand why "deleting" an account is needed. WHat people really want is to clean the account. Or perhaps 'Closed account' is a better term.

To explain, I will use chess.com as an example.
Clicikng on a profile gives you this http://www.chess.com/disabled_account
Otherwise their username is kept, and post, games etc. displays the username. Next to their username is a symbol, representing a closed account. (Say instead of the Clan logo on WL,)
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/21/2015 02:00:53


Angry Koala
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I do not intend to get my previous account back guys, so do not worry im fine with it, and i think RvW may have the answer: delete an account in warlight is not possible because of game datas. But anyway I am pretty sure to have read somewhere that you have a right to delete your account anywhere on the web, and that websites not providing this right are against the European Law, if I could have deleted my account it would have been better, but instead I only could make sure to lose my password and game id to be sure i could not log on it.
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/21/2015 02:01:42

Help
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How about hiding account from site and simply use a secret link plus password to reactivate ?

This way, if you really want to get back account, the staff would share secret link.
About deleting information, I am not sure.

Many mmos have trade acounts threads that are legal.


At most, complete deletion will just keep the meta data as level and progression while wiping all else. Unless you also wnt to return to level 1.

An even better solution is to store info on offline hard drive/server if concerned with privacy. 5,10,20 years is deletion. Some MMOs delete account after 6, 12, 24 month.

Some MMOs will delete account and permanent purchases after a month.

Edited 9/21/2015 02:10:52
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/21/2015 02:07:06

Hennns
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But anyway I am pretty sure to have read somewhere that you have a right to delete your account anywhere on the web, and that websites not providing this right are against the European Law

WL does not follow european law, so whether that's true or not (I've no knowledge on about that) it doesn't matter. Warlight is based around american law, and you've no 'right' to delete your account afaik.
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/21/2015 02:08:04


Angry Koala
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argh Muricans are evil!

Edited 9/21/2015 02:08:15
Ladders are no longer free?? really?: 9/21/2015 22:56:20

RvW 
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But anyway I am pretty sure to have read somewhere that you have a right to delete your account anywhere on the web, and that websites not providing this right are against the European Law

It's not the account itself, only the privacy-sensitive information. For instance, a few weeks ago a dating-cheating site got a lot of publicity because their "premium service" (where you had to pay money to get your information deleted) didn't actually delete things. Under European law (to which that, American, site wasn't subject anyway), they couldn't have charged money; anybody could simply have told them they wanted to use their legal right to require the deletion of personally-identifiable information (such as email addresses and real-world addresses, probably date of birth too, etc.). The remaining stripped and mostly-empty account (possibly still containing non-personally-identifiable information, such as for instance account creation date) would still remain however.

Keep in mind that European law cannot apply to non-European websites (if anybody knows any US politicians: please talk some sense into them; the way it completely and utterly violates the concept of "jurisdiction" and abuses "meh, we'll still get away with it" explains a big part of the current unpopularity of the USA, even among its theoretical allies). In a way, consider yourself a "tourist" when visiting non-EU websites; when you actually go on vacation to the US, EU law doesn't apply either.
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