1. Timinator
2. Latnox
3. HHH

I think this is a very interesting question and not one that is easily answered.

Why not easily?

All what we need a good competitive system where these players can fight againts eachother and everybody can see who is the best...

Unfortunatelly the present systems are not good for this purpuse, and seems Fizzer never will do a perfect system for professional competitive playing because it is not important for him :(

But I still cannot understand why do not do this system the competitive community for themselves...

Only 2 steps:

1. Collect all competitive warlight players, but filter the alts! (this second part is not a simple task but a must)
2. Together create a really good competitive system (btw I still think the present chess competitive system would be perfect to implement into warlight (chess monthly ELO ranking (patrons could make big iterative coin tourneys with added prizes like Linares, Wijk aan Zee in the chess), World Championship Cycle, etc.)

But I am afraid this status (without any accurate competitive system) is good for the community, because in this way everybody can be the best :P

So I think I am the best warlight player ever!
Just don't have enough time to play to show this you :P

WarLight has some luck factor involved so it's not that interesting if you won a certain game but if you played sound. The ultimative way to measure someone's skill is by a better player criticising his gameplay. The problem I see with you guys voting for who is the best is that you yourself aren't the best so you don't have the ability to tell. As it happens I am the best player in the history of WarLight. I can also prove this easily by letting the best player in the history of WarLight criticise my gameplay and it's always A++.

Edited 9/12/2015 13:03:04

Not counting games where I got booted before it started and a couple of games where I got booted in a winning position, my record against top players:

TFSB v Timmy 2-1
TFSB v Latnox 2-1
TFSB v Krzychu 30-14 (sorry Krzychu)
TFSB v MOD 8-6
TFSB v Piggy 4-4
TFSB v SZE 4-2
TFSB v Widzisz 4-1
TFSB v Summer 7-4
TFSB v Qi 3-2
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61-33 = 65% wp

Players against whom I have a losing record
TFSB v Gnuffone: 6-8
TFSB v HHH 6-8
TFSB v Quicksand 5-13

So predictably my vote goes to those 2 guys at the bottom ;)

Just realized that to be fair, I needed to remove games where opponent got booted before starting and in winning position, but all wins show up the same in summary and I am not going to go through 61 games. Best guess, there are ~4 games that need to be removed from the wins.

i think there is no best

there r a lot of top players.

its like in the sport. there is one top player or one top team for one season or maybe more. but still there is no best player in my opinion, just a few top players.
they all have their runs and then thats it.

as i can remember timi didnt play this season cause he didnt like the settings, is that the best player who doesnt play cause of settings? i doubt that. but he is still a beast, like others. (timi, i dont remember that good with the seasonal, so if im wrong im sorry) but i know that a lot of top players didnt play it cause of settings; and then im suppose to call them top players, NO.

i think those top player have there + and - on different maps and settings, so u cant say someone is the best.

also i think the 1vs1 ladder means nothing when it comes to top players. guys, its always the same map and the same setting. yes there r top players on that ladder, but often they r not top on other maps.
i suck for example at 1vs1 ladder on that map but on other im doing better. for me its so boring, but hey, thats me.

i think the real deal is the realtime ladder, cause of different maps and settings.
thats where i can see top players, and on the seasonal.

i think all those players u metioned r top but i think u forgot especially one name, and thats
ACL Tears, i like his style and he is a beast as the others r.

peace out

Also important to mention Ruthless Bastard, the best seasonal ladder player of all time

TFSB vs ACL Tears 1-0
TFSB vs Ruthless 4-4

"Timinator: if he tried to make a big run on the 1v1 ladder, I believe he could achieve 2300+ without much trouble." Definitely not, his games are fun to watch but hes ranked 18th in the ladder atm for a reason. he is playing in a very...odd way. He still guesses a lot but he is wrong more often now.

On my last ladderperiod i played more like casual games for fun, no real counting or planning on picks. Just what my gut told me.

Don't forget Odin he is the best I know and he helped me a lot to improve ;)
Then it was very fine to play with summer two times, nice chat and analyse of my mistakes ;)
Piggy was surly a good player but I dont like him much.

I don't know Timi but if he like we could play a game or two ;)

In my opinion the best overall player are the RT-Ladder player, there are much different maps and settings.
I myself are awful bad in RT-Ladder so I can't say who is the best one :(

Uhm what about Ruthless Bastard? That dude literally gets top 10 in all of the seasons that he played in, not to mention he won a Season. He also took 1st on 2v2 ladder and I dont have any records of him on rt ladder nor 1v1 ladder. But i think he deserves to be mentioned.
he took 3rd on 1v1 and 4th on rt, and not to forget that dude is also very active! I think with his current rt ladder rating he can take 1st no problem

Edited 9/12/2015 14:46:15

Ekstone, that would not accurately rank the best I think. Top players, in general, tend to be less active than others, and would not want to play a large amount of games that would be required to get an accurate ranking. And with just a couple potential best players sitting out, we can't say the person in first in your system is the best any more than we can say the 1v1 ladder #1 currently is the best.

The strongest opponent I ever faced was Fizzer. He booted me from four games to win a theoretical point. To click in a way that causes someone to lose in a game you aren't even in is the strongest possible 1v1 play.

Boys, always want to know who is the best one.
Think there are at least 10 equal toplayer and another 20 player close behind.

MoD, QB, Odin, Giant Frog are surely 4 from the top 10 who I know a little better :)

Edited 9/12/2015 17:06:33

@ Jack

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Well I didn't see any of the player's games, but his profile doesn't give any info that would make me think he's a top player. Yes, he does have over 70% winrate in 1v1, but I see no ladder records and getting that high of a winrate is not really hard if you don't play in ladders much (sorry, but the 2v2 ladder, only one he seems to have played, doesn't count much and getting 10 doesn't classify you as a top player).

@ [IM]YouMustBeKidding
Yes and no. About us, atleast me, not being able to totally determine who's the best player, even if I saw all the the top player's games, because my understanding of the game is too limited, I agree. But that is why I made it a discussion thread, instead of just saying what I thought as if it was objective. That way we can cumulate the little experience of Warlight each of us has and try to give a better approximation of players' skills. About Warlight's luck factor, this is relatively wrong. First of all I specified that the template had to be strategical (max. luck, read above) and even with 16% WR and situations were top players have no other choice than to toss a coin and hope, as any other probabilistic game, the skills are shown by the long run winning stats and by every action made and it's long run expected value. Also, considering the high amount of games the players have played, from a mathematical point of view, the margin of error about how good they did overall is very slim.


About gnuffone, I believe, tell me if i'm wrong, that he's very good on Europe, but I wasn't sure about including him or not because of the ethical debats and how it could have affected his stats (Did he really get first in ladders or was it only done with alts?).


@ TeddyFSB
Gnuffone himself said he didn't think he was as good as Szeweningen in a streaming few weeks ago. As I said, Idk how good really is Gnuffone (Although I think he's definetly a great player), but I don't believe he plays better than Szeweningen. The very low amount of games you played vs these opponents makes it likely the results are not totally accurate, or you could also just be bad vs Gnuffone's style and handle wonderfully Szeweningen's. Plus it might also be a question of what templates you played on. Like I believe Krzychu won a ton of bucks out of HHH, While you seem to have been + vs Krzychu while you lost vs HHH.
That said your stats vs these players are quite impressive, will try to look at a few of your games, maybe you'll become a new inspiration :p

@little X
Ya, Odin is without any doubt a top player, and I specially thank him for all the great work he did to help others improve their strategic skills, but at my knowledge he doesn't play much recently, wasn't sure if it would be right to consider it active when they are players loging in each hour. If there is any newcommer reading this thread, go get a look at his ''GG warlight strategy guide''---> https://www.warlight.net/Forum/34678-gg-warlight-strategy-guide, it is very well done and I learned a lot reading it.

@Master Atom ◆Elite◆
Ya, you have a point, he really did awsome in seasonal ladders. I also saw a few tournaments where he had great runs against top players.

The players that I don't like playing against because I feel it's very difficult for me to beat them:
Timinator
Ruthless Bastard
TeddyFSB
Odin
Summer
GreenTea (not mentioned before?)
[HL] Ko (not mentioned before?)
Yeon (not mentioned before?)

Players mentioned here that I'm not (that) afraid of (yet):
Piggy
Gnuffone
szeweningen
Latnox
Krzychu
ACL Tears
MoD
Widzisz
timon
QB
HHH / Quicksand
Gui / Qi / any Taiwanese account

Edited 9/12/2015 22:51:37

@MathWolf

you don't like playing against some players, that you are not (that) afraid of (yet).

Same like TeddyFSB. Funny to see how people don't know who they are really playing.

maybe you should get your hand on them, vernita

you don´t know how quickly i could burn my fingers doing that, Timi

Ekstone, that would not accurately rank the best I think.

That? What that? I wrote the community should create a really good competitive system toghether.
Or do you think can't be create a really good system at all?

Top players, in general, tend to be less active than others, and would not want to play a large amount of games that would be required to get an accurate ranking.

I think, this is mostly because they already have reached one or more excellent performances in Warlight thereby they became the member of "community hall of fame" (what is the top of the Warlight now), and unmotivated to reach one more of the present possible Warlight challanges. In other words, present, there is no proper challange for them in Warlight for play more, I think.

But motivation for them can be the coins (for example iterative tourney series with added prizes by Warlight patrons with monthly chess ELO ranking as I wrote earlier).
But I think, can be good motivation a Warlight World Champion title too if that is valid enough in the community!
And this title doesn't mean large amount of games, I think.

The first Warlight World Championship could be a small invitational (only for the present hall of fame legends) knockout tourney with best of X system.
That means X*Y games only! (where 2 to the power of Y equal the number of participiants, so 8 participiant mean Y=3, 16 Y=4, etc.).
So for example with 8 participiant with a best of 9 system would mean maximum (!) 3*9=27 games for the winner, I think that is not too much at all.

After this we will have a World Champion, then (but better if meanwhile) we can create a good cyclic world championship system, with multilevel qualifiers, what means the better (already acknowledged) players have to play much less games in a cycle than the new, "young titans".

But this is only two fast/short idea from me.
I am sure there are a lot more idea in the community, and I think we can create a very very good competitive system if we try.

And with just a couple potential best players sitting out, we can't say the person in first in your system is the best any more than we can say the 1v1 ladder #1 currently is the best.

I do not agree with you, I think we can say the winner is the best, even not every "best" player participate in the system, because who won't play can't be the best player and no matter what reason (frightened, think there is no chance for win, unmotivated, etc.). The best warlight player will participate in the system, I am sure!

Of course for this, need that the most of the "best" players accept the system and play.

So first of all, we should collect as many "best" players who want a good competitive system as we can, then we/they can create the system together.
And yes, if we cannot collect enough, no sense to continue :(

So who think it is a good idea that the community make a really good competitive system for themselves?