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Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 11:17:43


tomjh
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I have no doubt that countless people reading this will have played against Sun God in one of his or someone else's game, however, for the third time in a year to my knowledge, he has rigged a game massively towards his team (see link for most recent).

https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=9369404

While playing this game I was told that it is bannable to rig games to gain levels.

Fizzer, Hoopoolio and other staff if you're reading this please review my evidence,
and general Warlighters, promote this thread so the staff can read it.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 11:38:38


Riveath
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There's currently another thread about him rigging games...
I'd ban him, but I don't think he actually broke any rule.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 13:24:23

inquisitor
Level 56
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The link you gave above uses a custom scenario. He could edit it so as to give him and his team advantages.

Don't join games with custom scenarios next time if you want a fair game.

This game is classed as practice, and no points will be awarded in practice games.

It is no fun to edit a scenario just to give oneself a guaranteed win.

Edited 9/6/2015 14:14:24
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 14:17:14


MightySpeck (a Koala) 
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the way the rules are right now Sun God isn't doing anything against the rules. everyone just needs to actually look at a template before playing.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 14:26:43


Cata Cauda
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Ya agreed, check the settings before you join a game.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 14:48:17


Riveath
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Still going to warn them, eh.
If there's another game by Sun God, I'll enter it and warn everyone. That way they'll know what they're participating in. If he BL's me, no problem, I'd be grateful for that to not see his games.

Edited 9/6/2015 14:49:40
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 14:57:02


shyb
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its bad for business though. rigged games prey on newer players who may not completely understand the settings. a sun god game is a terrible first impression. if i was fizzer i would just outright ban him. im pretty sure he has the right to ban whoever he wants for any reason, whether they are breaking the rules or not.

if my first multiplayer game was a sun god game, i don't know if i would have bothered to keep playing warlight. there are plenty of ways to entertain myself and my internet attention span is very short.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 15:01:29


Riveath
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Shyb has a point. I saw a lot of level 1 people in his games. For experienced players, it's OK, they usually read the settings plus a Sun God game isn't usually enough to make someone quit WL.

While he did not break any rule and we really cannot do anything about it, it is getting tedious. Perhaps there should be a filter for custom scenario games? I'm not saying all of them are unbalanced, but it would be useful in many ways, including Sun God. Also, if regular non-diplo players (which are a majority) don't want to see custom scenarios, and they usually don't because most of them are diplos (thought there are team games sometimes), there should be an option for it.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 15:10:18

RvW 
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Fizzer, Hoopoolio and other staff if you're reading this please review my evidence,
and general Warlighters, promote this thread so the staff can read it.

Ehm yeah, that seems like a really convoluted way of going about it... How about you open up that game, look at the list of players (in the lower right hand corner), click on the player you want to report and in the Player Popup menu, click the "Report" button. It was, quite literally, made for this.

For completeness' sake, if you want to report a player for misbehaviour not in any particular game (such as things they do on these forums, or when they send you a mail through WL), there's also a "Report" button on every player's profile.

And yes, in this specific case, I don't see anything they did wrong; the game is perfectly fair and balanced... or at least, you say it is, by having joined the game. What do you think the message "Warning: This game uses a custom scenario for distribution. Custom scenarios can be configured to give specific players advantages. Please review the scenario to ensure it's fair before joining!" (emphasis added) on the Settings menu is for...!?
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 15:14:18

MrHymen
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It's a Custom Scenario. Why would you join without studying and seeing what type of Scenario it is?

The fault not in "Sun God"s palm but the dumb asses who decided to join a game without reading the rules.

Also, this: Any games with uneven teams are always practice games.

So why are you complaining again?

Edited 9/6/2015 15:15:23
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 15:15:21


Riveath
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Both of you are right. Now tell that to a level 1.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 15:16:22

MrHymen
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It's called using your eyes. If they aren't going to read the rules at level 1 then they probably shouldn't be playing warlight.

You can't babysit newbs otherwise this game would have to have several major changes to make it baby friendly.

OR the babies could use their eyes...

Edited 9/6/2015 15:17:43
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 15:22:00

RvW 
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its bad for business though. rigged games prey on newer players who may not completely understand the settings. a sun god game is a terrible first impression. if i was fizzer i would just outright ban him. im pretty sure he has the right to ban whoever he wants for any reason, whether they are breaking the rules or not.

How do you manage to start a paragraph with "it would be bad for business" and end it with "let's ban people who don't break any rules"...!? Because seriously, if there's anything which is bad for business it's players getting randomly banned, just on the whim of the admin; most people would outright leave and the few that stay would only play, but not even think about buying memberships (since you have no way to know when you too will be banned).
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 15:24:19

Killer_Spy_007
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It is very bad for business to have someone like Sun God create a game which completely weighs the game in his favor to ASSURE he wins, especially if it is a points game. He needs to at least have this brought to his attention and censored in some way. I am in a game now with him in which I didn't realize it was going to be so weighted in favor of him alone. It is my understanding it is a points game.

Edited 9/6/2015 15:25:59
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 15:36:00


Zephyrum 
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Everyone knows sun god rigs his games, but then again, rigged customs scenarios are not a bannable offense. I say Fizzer should make the custom scenario setting easier to see and check the spawns. When I was a noob I had no clue how to see it, and I also thought my slot was the one that had my color, not my letter. :P
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 15:38:20


shyb
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yeah fizzer should be in the business of babysitting newbs, to an extent. it's not about how annoyed YOU are that newbs aren't reading the settings, it's about having a successful game that eventually turns a profit. when i play a game for the first time (really the first few times) i don't expect to have to be ultra vigilant against game rigging. if it seems like the game is full of riggers i'm not going to bother to play at all, plain and simple. it's tough to gain someone's attention (and fizzer did a very good job of gaining my attention and a little bit of my cash), so to blame it on the newbs who didn't read the settings is kind of missing the point.

all of us had a first game here, all of us were newbs at some point, and i'm guessing that very few of us took it so seriously at first to read the wiki and understand all the settings before joining a game. yeah, you have to make that investment at some point or you will have a lot of bad games, but asking someone to make that investment on their first (or second or tenth) game is a little unreasonable. how is a new player to know that this game is so awesome that it's worth reading a bunch of boring explanations about settings?

i play music, and the tips i've gotten on making demos are analogous to this situation. you must hook the listener very early or your demo will be unsuccessful. anyone's attention is a rare and valuable thing and anyone in business or entertainment or gaming knows this and respects it.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 15:38:37


cjia {vaders fist} 
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When I see a diplomacy game, my first instinct is to read the rules, sadly though I don't normally look at the template since I normally hearing about players that are cheats and/or rigs their games. If I know before hand that a player is a cheat or rigs games then I warn people about that player. But the fact that so many people don't care or know about these people are the reason that they are successful in getting stronger in the first place.

If we keep people or clans informed about these players then they won't be able to thrive here, or at least in theory anyway.

(My right dominant hand is in a cast so it's hard for me to use proper grammar and free from spelling errors at this point in time. so I do apologize for that.)
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 15:45:03


shyb
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he wouldn't be "randomly banned". there is a very clear and understandable reason to ban him as i have already pointed out. if you don't agree, that's fine, i'm not trying to argue with you. i'm just posting here cause fizzer or mercer might read this and agree with the points i have made. or at least give them food for thought.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 16:33:55


Genghis 
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At first i thought the title was :

Is Sun God worthy of a brain?
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/6/2015 17:17:57

[NI] Lord eKell
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As massively annoying as Sun God is, he's a proud member of my BL for being such an annoying little prick, I see no problem with that game.

Its a strange alternate reality game with a poor backstory on a map that I detest, but;

1. Nowhere does Sun God say that its supposed to be balanced.
2. The scenario is so ludicrous that one shouldn't expect it to be balanced.
3. Its practice so he isn't benefiting from rigging the game.
4. Warlight should cater to its regular users above newbies, we can't ban people for making custom scenarios just encase a randomer, who might never come back anyway, gets confused
5. Unbalanced custom scenarios with bizarre backstories can make for some of the best diplomacy templates which should keep diplo-minded level 1's coming back to Warlight.

My advice is to pay attention before joining games, just glance at the scenario and, generally, don't join team, multi-day games that have 10 players under Lvl 10. At least some of them would be booted even if it was the best game ever made.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/7/2015 07:22:13


Prophet
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Lord eKell, you point is completely valid but warlight has to be attracting new members as well as catering for the regular users otherwise the whole thing will fall apart. Also some of the best custom scenario's are somewhat biased towards a certain slot, however, creating an unfairly biased slot with no other reason than to win and gain points (some of sun god's other games are ranked) is completely wrong. i honestly think that a new system needs to be implemented so that regular users and new players can easily see the custom scenario and that custom scenario games are clearly noted. will most likely be making a new thread giving more detail to this idea


Link to new thread:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/107653-proposal-new-custom-scenario-rules

Edited 9/7/2015 07:53:05
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/7/2015 07:41:42


Dublin Warrior 
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Several Points that I think should be made:

If I ran the zoo, I would suspend Sun God's ability to make custom scenario games for 2 weeks.

In that time, I'd make a concrete policy on weighted games.

I agree with haydos on all his points.

Teaching newbies is a rewarding experience for those who want the game to succeed, for those who vividly remember being newbies, etc.


*Playing* in Custom Scenario Games should be something that requires a level 15? account.

*Playing* in a multiplayer game with a ton of custom settings should require a level ?? account.

Rating Templates and Custom Scenarios should become one of the most prominent items that people see at the end of a game, especially with Custom Scenarios.

Auto-Games should be expanded.

Edited 9/7/2015 07:52:59
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/7/2015 09:29:18

inquisitor
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Also, this: Any games with uneven teams are always practice games.


It is good for that part. Unfortunately he could still make ranked games with custom scenarios as long as there is no uneven team. He could exploit it by setting up a rigged game to farm points and level up.

I don't understand why a game with custom scenario can still be set as ranked too. It should be always practice like how the case in uneven teams do. I think the developer should fix it.

Edited 9/7/2015 09:32:17
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/7/2015 09:45:41

MrHymen
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I don't understand why a game with custom scenario can still be set as ranked too



I didn't think they could be. Send an E-mail to Fizz and ask, it's probably just an oversight if that's the case.

However I do believe Fizz would be VERY strict towards those using Customs to up their numbers.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/7/2015 13:07:06

[NI] Lord eKell
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I really don't see the problem with this game that Sun God made, but apparently others are actually bad. It would be much easier to just ban the few people who are abusing the system than changing the whole game.

Scenarios can be used to make very well balanced team games, usually based on historical events, these should be ranked. Winning a diplo, be it as a large country or a small country can take months and people should be allowed to choose if they are ranked.

It is made very clear that a custom scenario is in use. There is a symbol on the dashboard, there is usually a game name that implies a scenraio, a description, it says 'Slot A, B, C, etc.' when you join, and it is highlighted in the settings.

Ban Sun God if you must, but don't overhaul the entire game just because he is annoying.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/7/2015 14:47:34


Gen. NumbNuts
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I propose we form a group called Moon Lords. https://youtu.be/ZZ5LpwO-An4
This will be our theme song.

The Moon Lords would implement harassing and annoyance tactics in games made by Sun God. We would go out of our way to join his game and make life miserable for him.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/7/2015 15:02:54


Master Turtle 
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Noobs should play the "Welcome Newbies Game" which is available for them for the first 20 days after account creation. After 20 days I think a player will have decided if he is going to quit or keep playing....

If the lvl1's that are new simply played those for a while..... they would be better off.

If its a lvl1 player who is old (someone who quit before WL 2.0 and now started playing again) then they are smart enough to check settings.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/8/2015 04:23:18


Chembaka 
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I'm terribly sorry that my alt Sun God got out of his cage again. I really do need a new lock for it.

*Sets up missing Sun God posters*

If you find him, please contact me. I really do miss him. Had fun times with my alt.

P.S. If you're reading this Sun God, I'm sorry I was mean to you about that one thing. Just waddle on back home, and we can be the best main alt and sub alt team ever.
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/9/2015 20:21:27

TwilightSparkles
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I just played one of his games, was dead i turn one and he had pretty much won by then, he gave himself 7 armies a turn while everyone else got 0
Is Sun God worthy of a ban?: 9/9/2015 20:24:06

TwilightSparkles
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It wasn't just newbies either, there were some higher than level 40 when the game started.
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