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The Book of Revelation: 8/16/2015 18:10:08


[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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Recently I have leaned to becoming an Agnostic and I wanted to look into some deeper Christian books. The Book of Revelation written by a man simply known as John was beyond mind-boggling. From Armeggedon to Mabgog and Gog, The Church of Philadelphia* to Nero, Hitler or Saddam.

*= Philadelphia, Asia Minor. Often called "Little Athens". Now in ruin.

It is an extremely interesting conversation topic and please don't dismiss it without presenting evidence. And no flaming!
The Book of Revelation: 8/16/2015 18:15:48


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I'm gonna start of by saying the part that really interested me was the connections it had to other historical events. Mabgog and Gog may have been Mongols or Huns, and the book predicting the fall of Rome. Or a prediction of current wars in Iraq and Israel (Israel is were the ancient city of Armeggedon is and Iraq holds Babylon)
The Book of Revelation: 8/16/2015 18:35:28


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That is the best part of the Bible.
The Book of Revelation: 8/16/2015 18:36:20


[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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It really is. It's pretty awesome.
The Book of Revelation: 8/16/2015 18:46:07


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"And then, the fifth angel blew his trumpet. And out of the sky fell a star, with a key to the Abyss." (Revelation, paraphrased from my head.)

Nukes.
The Book of Revelation: 8/16/2015 18:48:19


[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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That is why it's so interesting! It has an actual base to it.
The Book of Revelation: 8/16/2015 21:16:11


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Mabgog and Gog would be in reference to a modern or futuristic Russia. Revelations is the book about the end of the world and the creation of a new one.
The Book of Revelation: 8/16/2015 21:37:40


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At least it is better than the affirmation that Quran predicted scientific discoveries or helped them.

Some random google search aboit Quran led me to books about the scientific truth in the holy muslim book.

Apparenty, people knew about diseases, nuclear physics, number theory, astrophysics. The author argues that the analysis of holy scripture will precipitate science in general.

It is the same vein as the one guy who "created" a cipher for the christian bible that changes or decrypts the book into his own text he wrote. His texr has fake prophecies that happened in the near present. Some people may have been convinced that the bible is true word of God because of added prophecies.

It is also not better than Archimedes that created his famoud temple using simple physic rules. Will religion become irrevelant like in Asimov Foundation ?
The Book of Revelation: 8/17/2015 00:54:22


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Hello

I have to admit that you guys interpretations aren't more bizare than what I have read from various christian scholars. In some other threads people have argued that the bible has been disproven on countless occasions while others have argued that you can neither prove nor disprove the bible as any other religious text. I however believe that the bible makes relatively precise statements also when prophesying about the future. Sadly with most biblical prohesies bible scholars used the prophecy to date the book after the occurrence, however this is hardly possible with some of the most astonishing prophsies like especially the one found in Daniel 9.
http://www.gotquestions.org/seventy-weeks.html

As for the book of Revelation it fits perfectly well into the canon of the whole bible. It is well known from the Old Testament prophets that the coming of the Mesiah to erect his age of piece will be preceded by the worst time in the history of mankind.

Mabgog and Gog would be in reference to a modern or futuristic Russia.
In Revelation Gog and Magog come from the four ends of the earth after the messianic age of piece.
The Book of Revelation: 8/17/2015 01:12:53


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When people say we are living in end times, I call bs. Look up doomsday predictions of the past and there and hundreds that where incorrect, what's makes you think that they are this time? People have been saying the second coming will happen in their life for hundreds of years, they were all wrong.
The Book of Revelation: 8/17/2015 01:31:15


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Kent Hovind is now out of prison and has been talking about end-time prophecies on his new youtube channel (he wrote a book about it in prison and is hoping to be selling it soon). Of course the guy is a complete fraud but if you are a conspiracy theorist/ young earth creationist, you should love him.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6-cVj-ZRivoa_iSBFcqRoXOvUjmQYDD2
The Book of Revelation: 8/17/2015 14:54:36


[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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I believe Mabgog and Gog are China and Russia. I'm not so sure though because it may of been predicting the fall of Rome as Gog being the Huns or Goths.
The Book of Revelation: 8/17/2015 15:24:29


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how can you look at that texto and see predictions bout presente day events? that is just stupidity in its puré form
The Book of Revelation: 8/17/2015 15:27:24


[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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How can you not see predictions about present day events? It seems as though it is talking about modern technology in a Classical way.
The Book of Revelation: 8/17/2015 15:32:53


Norman 
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When people say we are living in end times, I call bs. Look up doomsday predictions of the past and there and hundreds that where incorrect, what's makes you think that they are this time? People have been saying the second coming will happen in their life for hundreds of years, they were all wrong.

Whom are you adressing Benjamin628? I said nothing like that (if it's a reference to my post).
The Book of Revelation: 8/17/2015 15:37:56


Benjamin628 
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@Norman

I'm not addressing anyone in this forum, a lot of people cite Revelation when they say the world is about to end.
The Book of Revelation: 8/17/2015 15:40:08


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I cite meteors made of wormwood when prophesying the end of the world....
The Book of Revelation: 8/17/2015 16:20:34


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it is talking about presente day because you have a mind set up to be unable to see anythign else but yourself
The Book of Revelation: 8/17/2015 19:06:11


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Coincidences are there.

Classical people were very smart. Archimedes, Euclid.
The Book of Revelation: 8/17/2015 21:20:59


[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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Anyways it is a great ending to a pretty interesting book.
The Book of Revelation: 8/18/2015 02:38:34


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And the famous temple is heros... I am becoming dumb or have memory related problems. :/

Did anyone knew that modern like water distributors existed in greece ?

I don't remember if it accepted money or just buttons for different drinks.

Edited 8/18/2015 02:43:34
The Book of Revelation: 8/18/2015 02:42:39


Genghis 
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Considering sewage systems existed since 3000 BC at least, it's not a surprise.
The Book of Revelation: 8/18/2015 02:47:20


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That thing provided different drinks with levers or buttons and was inventd by two brothers. I believe as same as the first money machine. I had a sit on my bookmarks for a huge lnteractive list of inventions. I don't where the link is now.

Random googling says first slot machine is stettman and pitt.

Edited 8/18/2015 02:51:19
The Book of Revelation: 8/18/2015 02:49:31


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Did you know Nicolaus Copernicus was a Polak? And he invented Heliocentrism, made a whole bunch of cool other things. Polen smurt.
The Book of Revelation: 8/18/2015 02:58:45


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Yes, it is shame that all use his Latin name - he is Nikolai Kopernik, not some Coppernickelus.
The Book of Revelation: 8/18/2015 03:00:02


Genghis 
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"Nikolai Kopernik" is ugly af doe. Nicolaus Copernicus is a guy I would bang - no homo tho.
The Book of Revelation: 8/18/2015 03:02:00


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The first english worlwide reputed english academy of science dealt with ghosts at first. It was new and supernatural beings were not proven or disapproven.

I want to live into those times to become a scientist with few education and famous unlike today ages where knowledge is huge and everything.

Aristotle believed the sky was split in two only. The sun would rotate around earth obviously however the other sky is normal and has flying rocks.

Copernic promoted a model that is double circular because it helps calculations. The planets would turn around normally and they also have a cycle around a fictious point on the trajectory. This would compensate for the elliptical curves. And make calendars easier to calculate. This is why copernic model was not popular.

I think it is double epicyclic.

Edited 8/18/2015 03:04:04
The Book of Revelation: 8/18/2015 03:05:22


Жұқтыру
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That's not why the Kopernik model was not popular.

Even Kopernik, a strong Catholic, himself did not like his theories.

Edited 8/18/2015 03:05:45
The Book of Revelation: 8/18/2015 03:06:43


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And Sedna is a beautiful piece of poesy. I just red it because it is referred a lot in litterary works a lot.


I can't find it in crap google. It gives me video games. I red it in a huge reference book callef latin poesy simply. Another great poem I remember is a husband praising his wife for being very virtuous. They are both romans. The husband is searched or hunted for some reason. She gives all her jewelry to help him and becomes poor. They are both safe. In the end, the woman discovers she is not fertlie (always must be women...). The man does not care about children and just wants to be happy and live forever with her. The wife convinces him to marry someone else. She will becomd his sister instead. Another sacrifice is made. The woman lives shorter. I find this sad personally. She is so virtuous and made so many sacrifices. She also risked greatly her life by sending him money or food while the man was hiding from the authories.

In the end, the husband retells all the virtuous acts she made and praises once more. I can't find the famous poem about the vulcan maybe it is vesuve.

Edited 8/18/2015 03:32:52
The Book of Revelation: 8/18/2015 03:36:18


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It is etna.





Google should have known what I searched when I appended twenty key words...
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