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Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 03:52:11


Benjamin628 
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So most of you know that you can kick other Managers when you have Manager Rights. I recently kicked myself from AWF in an experiment, to see if it was possible.

Here is my solution:

1. You can't kick yourself (I know it's an idiotic thing to do but still)

2. Layered system, something like Clash of Clans uses.

3. People of the a rank cannot kick other people of the same rank.

Edited 8/13/2015 03:52:17
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 04:23:23


Thomas 633
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Give fizzer 5K. :)
I agree but you try and fix it.
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 04:32:33


Benjamin628 
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Even someone with a pretty bad programming knowledge like me might be able to pull it off. It would be like at most 15 lines of code.

Edited 8/13/2015 04:32:58
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 04:55:04


ChrisCMU 
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What happens when the clan owner leaves a clan? Who owns it then?
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 05:06:57


John Smith
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They should be able to elect a successor, maybe in the clan options. Then, when and if they leave the clan, the 'successor' will automatically be promoted to clan owner. Maybe, if they do not name a successor, then a random player from the next tier down will get promoted.
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 05:33:18

Synlar
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Either that or you agree to leave and re-form the clan under a new owner. At least that's what I see happen in other such games.
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 12:33:34

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+1 Benjamin

But that has been discussed many times and voted in the uservoice... But clan updates are not planned currently on the roadmap sadly.
But yeah we could get some inspirations from other games already existing with good clan settings.
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 14:09:27


knyte 
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I don't think fixing the clan system is a worthwhile time investment for Fizzer if he plans on replacing it like he's said. Moreover, Mercer said their priority is growing the playerbase, so improving less-often-used features (especially ones that newbies are significantly less likely to use than long-term players) shouldn't be that big an issue on their roadmap unless they also want to expand the usage of those features (== a lot more work than just 15 lines of code).

Ultimately, you're walking along the edge of a tall building and it doesn't have railings. It's on you to be safe, for now.

For now, we (the player community) can also abandon the WL Clan system and build our own clans. This could be done through external communication systems (linked, perhaps, using simple browser scripts/extensions) and by replacing WL clans in current inter-clan competitions with some other form of group organization that doesn't care about being WL official.

Edited 8/13/2015 14:12:08
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 14:42:21


Zephyrum 
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Fun fact: you can remove your own Manager Rights.

As stupid as it seems, such things are actually possible =P
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 14:44:06


knyte 
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Being able to step down isn't stupid at all. It's no more weird than being able to remove yourself from a clan.
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 16:02:31


Pink 
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i dont know anything about programming, but i suppose that creating a 5 layers board wouldnt be that hard, if the leader was to leave, the people on the second layer would be in some kind of control i suppose
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 16:03:15


ChrisCMU 
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I'm not asking what should happen, or what we should have.

I am asking IF the owner of the clan left right now, what would happen (assuming no measures were taken to address that, like giving someone else ownership)? Would the clan have no owner? Say I just left WG (I won't), would WG have no owner, thus nobody could invite anyone to WG? Would warlight simply transfer ownership to someone in the clan automatically?
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 16:28:32


Pink 
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i believe anyone with admin status could assume your place, if there is none there would be na anarchic clan, no one making decisions over others
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 16:52:02


Kenny • apex 
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Just wanted to say, and I may be wrong, but Clan League doesn't care whether or not you're a WarLight official clan or not. We've been running Clan League since before the clan system even existed, so it's not against the rules to have a group of people call themselves a clan and compete.

I mean atm the clan system is just a stamp next to your name. I don't see how manager rights are such a hotly debated topic. Everyone in Apex has manager rights and we have yet to implode. It's what keeps us from recruiting people we don't trust.
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/13/2015 18:56:53

Purple Illusions 
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"It would be like at most 15 lines of code. "

Yeah, no.
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/15/2015 01:13:00


Potatoe
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A funny statistic which puts clan updates to shame...

Roughly the impact of a update on clans.. Will only impact 2 - 3% of the general Warlight community.

Speak.
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/16/2015 21:56:14


Benjamin628 
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That 15 lines of code thing is way off :P

I agree mostly with Lolowut, but it stops stupid people from losing their clan.
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/17/2015 11:04:59


knyte 
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Lines of code are a terrible way to measure effort, regardless. Sometimes 150 lines take a week, sometimes 1500 take just a number of hours on a busy Saturday. Not all lines are equally annoying to write and debug.

That said, we have no way to estimate how many lines Fizz would have to add because we don't know what the WL codebase looks like, how clans are stored and how clan operations happen. It could very well be a small amount or possibly take an entire week just for Fizzer to keep a manager from removing all remaining managers.
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/17/2015 11:42:58

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knyte, I know that some months ago, Fizzer was looking for professional people in graphism and design, and also programming, what about submitting an application, and work with him for a full paid job?

Edited 8/17/2015 11:44:00
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/17/2015 11:52:08


Pink 
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angry panda, pls help me understanding it, why are you proposing knyte?
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/17/2015 11:56:09

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im not proposing knyte, just informing that Fizzer was (or still is) looking for qualified people in computer science, and I know that knyte is highly qualified already and has a great knowledge.
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/17/2015 11:56:47

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Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/19/2015 05:14:49


kynte
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UI/UX design isn't quite the same as programming, although there's likely a bit of overlap with frontend given the size of WL. I guess that post also gives us hope that Fizzer's reworking the entire interface, not just tournaments, so that's pretty solid.

I also love how the URL says "graphic designer" but the post asks for "UI/UX." Finding an all-rounder seems to be a typical dilemma for startups- I know one (pretty successful, you've probably heard of it and it's definitely got the money to attract talent) that's been trying for 14 months now. Hope WL succeeds there.

EDIT: You're also overrating my qualifications lol. I'm still just a sophomore who much prefers working with embedded systems to high-level programming.

Edited 8/19/2015 05:16:25
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/19/2015 13:40:32


ChrisCMU 
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Yeah, I saw that too in the description. I am not sure exactly what they are looking for. I mean I have some experience in a variety of things they could use help with, but you may be hard pressed to find an expert in all those areas.

-I have done website design (probably 3-4 of them) in different web programs. So I understand design and flow there, but perhaps not fluent in the language they use.

-I have played with graphic programs like photoshop a fair amount, but again am not an expert there.

-I have a pretty good knowledge of Python, just learning C#, so I would not be anywhere close to an expert on programming.

-I have been a web admin on a big forum site, so I have lots of experience on forum mechanics, but used a built in program (vBulletin), so I would not be an expert on doing it in C# like they are here.

To summarize, I think I have a lot of ways to contribute, but would I be worth hiring? I don't know. I've offered my help for free though on those things because I just want the site to be even better. I am not on WL to make money, I have a development job. It is for fun, and I appreciate the site and what Fizzer has done and I would be glad to give back however I can (beyond the two memberships I have).
Clan System needs Reworked Quickly: 8/20/2015 17:42:33


kynte
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I don't think there's necessarily any coding experience required for UI/UX/graphic design. The best designers I know are a few grad students in HCI that I met at BoilerMake and only one of the three could actually code. But the Pebble app they made in <24h would've been extraordinary even if all three of them were full-stack.

Actually, now that I think about it, most UI/UX/graphic designers I know (especially the more successful/sought-after ones), even when they know how to code really well, end up spending the vast majority of their time not even dealing with code and just designing- storyboarding, user-testing, and ultimately coming up with elegant, user-friendly, visually appealing, and often original solutions.

They're the kind of people who I honestly have a bit of difficulty working with because they like to think details through and I just prefer to hit the ground running- you know, move fast and break things rather than think that creatively and keep refining the idea so that more and more people use it. At the end, of course, they're also the ones best fit to market the product because of that.

Given what you've said about your qualifications, and knowing my own, I don't think either of us would be the best candidate for that posting.

Edited 8/20/2015 17:45:03
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