I'm sensing a lot of exaggeration and subjectivity here. Perhaps you could clarify on some of that.
Oh but i'm not exagerating. The core philosophy of christianity is that we are all to blame for the actions of Adam and Eve, and Jesus came to be tortured on Earth to pay for all humanity. This alone is wicked. The idea that we are all responsible for a "crime" commited by other, and the idea that one person should serve as a Scapegoat to pay for it is horrible. Here are a few of the Bible stories one might find immoral:
1. God drowns the whole earth.In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.
2. God kills half a million people.In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.
3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.
read more here:
http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=21Do i need to pull out the Kuran verses too?
In addition, you're employing the same logic that people use to try and blame video games for random shootings. "X contains Y so that means X is responsible for Z committing Y." Plenty of horrible things are shown, and sometimes endorsed, across all types of both media and books. Simply reading a book that contains violence does not make you violent. Just like how playing a violent game does not make you a violent person. People are ultimately accountable for their own actions, and it's individuals who should be judged. Not the entire group they belong to.
But religion are in many way like video games, of fantasy litterature.
The big difference is that no-one teaches what is in video games or in other fictional books as if it were the truth and a moral guide, and that you would be sent to burn in a lake of fire for eternity if you don't follow it.
You can't blame a religion for the actions of crazy followers. Underneath it all it's not the religion that made them do it, it's their own personal demons and they simply use religion as their justification. If religion wasn't there for them to justify their actions, they would find something else instead.
I disagree. Many crazy religious people may have done wicked things because they were crazy in the first place. But religion and blind faith is so powerful that in many cases it is what drove these people to do crazy things. As Richard Dawkins said, there is a logical pathway from religion to violence. This is undeniable, just look at some of the teachings in the books.I disagree that "if religion wasn't there for them to justify their actions, they would find something eslse instead." How do you explain suicide bombers, killing people to please there god and in the hope that it would buy them a ticket to heaven? Granted, religion is not the only responsible for this, you can blame poverty, lack of education, etc, but ultimately religion and endoctrination gets the lion share of the blame in my opinion.
but as Bill Maher would say, if there was only one turd in the pool, would you jump in?
Nothing is pure in this world. No country, no religion, no organized group has a totally clean record. You tell Mr.Maher to find me a group of people that have never done wrong.
The difference is that all religions claim to be pure and the ultimate truth, and people base their entire lives on that faith
Most religions do not directly teach their followers to commit atrocities. The atrocities occur when a group of followers decides to interpret something in a certain way for whatever their reasons.
Every religion that is and ever was is an interpretation of something. There is no such thing as an interpretation of a religion, there is just...religions.
but religion do have a big responsability in those crime, and should be held accountable.
Nonsense. You can't hold an entire group accountable for the actions of renegades, especially when most of said renegades are long dead. Atheists have done bad things too at certain points in history, but that does not mean Atheism itself should be judged negatively on that alone.
i don't know if you misinterpreted me on purpose, but i never said that i hold "an entire group accountable". I don't blame todays christians for the horrible things christians have done in the past, that's the kind of moral you would find in the Bible. What i blame is religion, the ideology, the doctrine. And if atheism have lead atheist in the past to do horrible things, then absolutely we should look at the responsibility of Atheism. The only problem is Atheism is not a doctrine, it is not a way of life. Atheism doest have a holy book, nor commandements, nor moral code, nor doctrine. Atheism is not a belief system. Atheism is just the lack of belief in any deity. That's it. Their is no logical pathway for someone to do bad things in the name of atheism, because atheism is not an ideology. Secular Humanism is generally the philosophy adopted by atheists.
In the same note, you can't judge Christianity simply on the atrocities of past members.
Yes i can, and i do. If there is a connection betwin the christian ideology and the atrocities commited by its followers, that connection should be made.
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