Tsh, Christians have done worse then Muslims, The British Empire killed millions, committed genocide quite a few times , set up concentration camps , used forced labour, destroyed many cultures, and left Africa in turmoil. Their excuse? Spreading Christianity.

The key word there is excuse. European empires simply said they were doing it all for God to make themselves feel more justified, religion was not their original motivator. What motivated the Europeans back then was greed and imperialism. Three Gs: Gold,Glory, and God. They were prioritized by the imperial powers in that order, mostly gold was what mattered though.

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Yes and ISIS fights for gold , glory and god. If you wish to criticize them for conquering for their god and only their god then I will do the same to the British Imperial soldiers who acted as savagely if not more savagely then the modern ISIS.

i do think religion itself is rather blameless. good christians pay more attention to the parts of the bible that promote peace and love and consider the bible open to interpretation. people following the bible strictly and judging others are using the bible to follow darker human impulses, like hatred of others, violence, etc. and imperialists and other bad people in power use their religion to gain more power.

so it's not religion itself. believing in a god has no outcome on your morals one way or the other. it's people that use religion for non-religious ends that are to blame.

as an atheist, this is the only support i can give to religion.

And its a good supporting argument. In the dark ages few actually had access to any biblical texts. The majority of those that did have some of the bible used it to their ends.

Yes and ISIS fights for gold , glory and god. If you wish to criticize them for conquering for their god and only their god then I will do the same to the British Imperial soldiers who acted as savagely if not more savagely then the modern ISIS.

You can judge the British soldiers all you want. Just don't try and pin the blame for their selfish actions on Christianity. For that was merely their excuse, not their true motivation.

Considering Britain starved millions of Indians to death just because for money/taxes and at the same time gave them smaller rations, I'd say the British Empire makes my Mongolian Empire look like pussies, which they aren't, because the Mongols totally kicked everybody's ass.

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it's people that use religion for non-religious ends that are to blame.

^This.

Most religions (Buhdism, Judaism, Christianity) are mostly peaceful; its misinformation/ mass organized religion that's the problem.

That was a core part of Jesus's teaching- he was against the strict code of the Pharisees, and was, in a sense, against the concept of strict "religion" in itself.

Buhdism, Judaism, Christianity

You forgot Islam.

I'm not even going to try to defend the Quran; I have no kind words for Islam.

Considering that the Bible and Quran are books that stem from two similar Abrahamic religions this is very hypocritical. There is absolutely no reason for you to treat either of these differently.

Never start a thread about religion.
I had one with under 10 players and it had nearly 500 posts...Those many pages were annoying much...

The Quran say to beat your wife and kill the Jews and Christians. Is that REALLY Peaceful?

Not to mention, which religion goes around hating the rest of the world? Islam!

The bible says to kill anyone who isn't Christian. Which religion goes around hating the world?Christianity! Is that really peaceful?

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Read the Bible - I've heard many stories about formerly devout Christians who got some time on their hands started reading the Bible page by page, as every devout Christian should do, and when they read what was in it, they didn't necessarily become atheist, but they definitely became much less devout.

Bible says many slanderous things about women as well - for example, if you rape a woman of a country that you are at war with, you are allowed to marry this woman - specifically God-approved.

Islam does not hate all other religions. Have you talked to a Muslim?

Considering that the Bible and Quran are books that stem from two similar Abrahamic religions this is very hypocritical. There is absolutely no reason for you to treat either of these differently.

I don't know if you've ever tried to read the Quran, but I have, and I wasn't able to read much before it made me sick.

What have I done...

I've read both the Bible and the Quran and they're very similar. Considering that a part of the bible concerns killing people with a camel's jawbone you're being a bit hypocritical. I'll just chalk it up to nationalistic xenophobia with you.

I used a donkey's jawbone to kill a thousand men. I beat them with this jawbone over and over again.

I used a donkey's jawbone to kill a thousand men. I beat them with this jawbone over and over again.

A writer needs to use this line for an action movie. Preferably, Liam Neeson or Jason Statham says it.

"God exists. We don't know if it "is" in a certain place/time.



Existence : Anything that can be described exists."

No.

Existnce: have objective reality or being.

keyword there, objective. Not subjective.

God has no objective reality or being.

Additionally:

Existence: to continue to be or live

Something must continue to exist - it does not exist for all of eternity because it once did. When I die I will no longer exist. There are ~7 billion people existing on this planet, not multiple times that due to to all the people that once existed and have since died.

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Well, mathematics exist because we can talk about it even if it is not found in nature. Gold unicorns exist in fairy tales so they exist.

In Russell Principia, truth false problems make too many paradoxes so it needs to go. Hence, everything that has a set of properties exist.

Conscience or memory is just a set of events. Identity does not exist as is.

Existance is different from be or not be. It can be applied everywhere at any time. Dragons exist in fairy tales.