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Choke points: 7/29/2015 22:26:58

Widzisz • apex 
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Short quiz inspired by recent talks. Out of the A-F territories, name the choke points, and other typical type territories if you find some.

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Genghis 
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C and E.
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BUFFALO
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i dont think d is a choke point

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Sabali
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are we assuming there are no wastelands?

edit: maybe my definition of choke point is wrong but situation dependent couldn't they all be one?

Edited 7/29/2015 23:11:35
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Tiny Koala
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I'm not too clear on the definition of a choke point, but...

A is a very important spot; it is the only light orange territory to border more than one Asian territory, and it borders two red and three blue territories. It's the key territory that separates Scandanavia and Western Russia from Asia.

B,C,D, and to a lesser extent E are all sort of choke-points, in that there's no easy way to go around them. E's a funny one because it's in the middle of a bonus.

I'm not sure about F; it hasn't been a key territory in any game I've played. Both the green and blue bonuses are quite hard to defend from each other, and the blue bonus also is inefficient.

Edit: C and D are basically each 1/2 of a choke point, with the other half on the other side of the water. B is stronger than it's Middle Eastern counterparts, but if it's ever the only way you have of getting into Asia, you're probably in trouble.

Edited 7/29/2015 23:19:46
Choke points: 7/30/2015 00:42:42

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Please can someone explain what a choke point is? I see a lot of people discussing them when talking about strategy, but I've never really understood what they are.
Choke points: 7/30/2015 00:50:44


Ska2D2 
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In real terms a choke point is where you fight in a restricted, usually narrow area. Mostly utilized by smaller forces looking to reduce the numbers a larger force can bring to fight. Taking away their main advantage.

The most famous usage in military history would be The Thermopylae pass. An army badly in need of one would have been Lee's Army of Northern Virginia which was eventually defeated by Grants continous expanding of the front reducing the amount of men Lee could focus in one place to defend against a break through.

In Warlight terms it means:

nounNORTH AMERICAN
a point of congestion or blockage.
"the tunnel is a choke point at rush hour"

It's one territory that your opponent has almost no choice but to go through.

So as important as A is it's not a choke point, you can just go around it and threaten the bonus(es) that way and you can do it quickly.

B is a choke point because the only other way into Africa from the Middle East is via a 5 turn detour through southern Europe.

C is a double choke point as it blocks access to Africa from South America and vice versa.

D is a choke point but the territory south of it is a better one. If you can afford to lose the bonus.

E is a minor choke point from the north, it's only 3 turns to get around. But a better one if you're defending the north.

I wouldn't really call F a choke point.

Other choke points are:

Iceland or Sweden, Morocco or Spain, Alaska, South Africa and Iran in the ME

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Cata Cauda
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WHat about Hawaii? Isnt that a choke point too?
Choke points: 7/30/2015 01:02:57


Ska2D2 
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I would say so, yes.
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Edited 7/30/2015 02:29:08
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Kenny • apex 
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E isn't an FTB. That's 80% x 80% x 16% do not rely on a 2v2 to take a bonus ever.

B C D are all choke points, the thread isn't about FTBs or counters. A counter depends on wastelands and pick distribution.
Choke points: 7/30/2015 02:07:44


Benjamin628 
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^ 10.24% chance of taking CA with Mexico start on the first turn without any surrounding picks.
Choke points: 7/30/2015 02:21:45

Purple Illusions 
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I see Hostile has still not learned to not speak in an authoritative manner regarding a template he's downright bad at.
Choke points: 7/30/2015 02:42:51


Hostile
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Sorry. I thought it was a trick question.

Some choke points have more value than others. One - One chokepoint are the most valuable.

The value of a choke point that connects to multiple territories depends on the bonuses you own. It has even more value if it is an entry point to a part of the map.

I would prefer to "own" the territory left to A:2. It has probably more weight. You can "close" Caucasus and Central Russia while threatening Scandinavia.



If a choke point is used to delay and maybe threaten bonuses, I would agree with all territories. :3


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I mean that you can build bonuses behind the choke points. If it is a 1-1, it is hard to go around. It is easy to lose if you don't protect a choke point and lose a double (Africa).

It depends. If you don't over-use your armies and just leave enough for 1/2 to 2/3 production, the other player may have to take another bonus. It is less ~10 armies less to fight.

Or you can abandon and make a 7-15 wasteland.

Edited 7/30/2015 02:56:55
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Benjamin628 
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One - One chokepoints are not the most valuable.
Example:

Ukraine when opponent has Scan WR and Caucasus vs Brazil when opponent has West Africa.
Choke points: 7/30/2015 03:02:24

Purple Illusions 
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Anyone arguing Moscow holds more importance than Ufa needs to brush up on strat 1v1 in a hurry.

Sure it borders three bonuses, but two of them are shit bonuses people almost never have. You'll also virtually never have it while the opponent has Caucasus, Scandinavia, and Europe.

Ufa, Georgia, Eastern Kazahkstan, Tibet, Shaanxi, Hong Kong, the 7 most important territories in that side of the map, all more important than Moscow.
Choke points: 7/30/2015 03:25:02


Hostile
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And Moscow is the 8th most important territory. =)

West Russia / Central Russia is often a stalemate and a common pick.

You will usually have Scandinavia OR WEST RUSSIA OR CENTRAL RUSSIA.



The territory that deserves a mention for 9th is Malaysia.


Japan also deserves a honorable mention.


Iran is a common choke point and should be included on the list.

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Edit :

I have now officially the same opinion as Ska2D2.

Any complaint about "my opinion" should be addressed to him. :P








Xinjiang is a very nice territory. It offers many interesting choices.

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Genghis 
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someone should make a better Earth map.
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Benjamin628 
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Yea, Earth is unbalanced. I think someone made a "Medium Earth" so I would consider that a better earth map.
Choke points: 7/30/2015 04:03:02

Purple Illusions 
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And Modified Medium Earth an even better yet earth map. Still no clue why MME wasn't voted to replace ME for the 1v1 ladder.

It's not much better, but it's definitely better.
Choke points: 7/30/2015 05:32:06


Tiny Koala
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What's the difference between MME and ME?
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Genghis 
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One's a map on warlight, another is the best video game franchise.
Choke points: 7/30/2015 15:38:28

Sabali
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In MME East US and East Russia each have 6 territories instead of 7
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Widzisz • apex 
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The reason I was asking because somehow I (as well as few others I won't mention) used "choke point" term to refer to both territories that :

1) block the passage, connect to one territory that you need to go far around if you want to reach it other way, (B, C, D, E in some situations)

and

2) are connected to multiple territories, give positional advantage threatening several territories (A, E, to some extent F, Georgia, Hong-kong, Congo)

I'm not very smart I guess.

So, if 1 are choke points, how do we call 2 again?

Edited 7/30/2015 15:53:58
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Benjamin628 
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as well as a few others I won't mention

Totally not me.

Edited 7/30/2015 15:53:07
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Hostile
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Salient , Re-entrant and Pockets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salients,_re-entrants_and_pockets




Battlefield science. :)
Choke points: 7/30/2015 17:24:10


Tiny Koala
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How about "key territory"?
Choke points: 7/31/2015 03:21:58


shyb
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hassle spots
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Fleecemaster 
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I know them as "bottle necks"
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