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Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/16/2015 12:06:00

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de?

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Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/16/2015 12:07:28


Benjamin628 
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Yes.
Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/16/2015 20:50:19


Genghis 
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No.
Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/16/2015 20:55:40


Benjamin628 
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Not biased at all ^

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Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/16/2015 20:55:45


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No. It was brutal, involved several war crimes, but I don't think anything in there specifically targeted a race for extermination.

Moreover, you have to be careful with applying a modern legal definition to past atrocities- the Mongols existed in a different time, hundreds of years before "genocide" was even a term. We run into the issue of presentism (judging past actions based on the understanding we have in the present) when we try to apply these terms to events so far back in the past.

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Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/16/2015 20:57:41


Benjamin628 
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@Knyte, they targeted a race: non-Mongols. The halocaust targeted a race: non-Aryans (for the most part it was Jews but they went after disabled people and outs peaked of Hitler).

They killed 11% of the world, it deserves to be a genocide.

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Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/16/2015 21:05:11


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They also had religious freedom, meritocracy based governance, very good internal security, revived the Silk Road and Indian Ocean trade, as well as influence positively much of eastern Europe. Imagine a world without Russia.

The Mongols were fair. Why should you let a city live if it refuses to surrender? No reason.

In the end, it was a different time and they did just as much good as bad. Compared to Hitler, genghis khan is a saint.
Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/16/2015 21:08:21


knyte 
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@Ben: They didn't demonstrate the intent to exterminate any specific group of people. The Nazis had specifically written about and planned out the extermination of Jews and Slavs. You won't find similar documents from the Mongols.

Keep in mind that I'm not saying the Mongols were good guys. Genocide is just a very specific charge and very tough to prove.

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Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/16/2015 21:08:53


Nex
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Compared to Hitler, genghis khan is a saint.

I sense bias in that opinion ^

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Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/16/2015 21:09:01


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genghis can lick deez nutz
Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/16/2015 21:19:01


Kur
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Of course Gengis khan is bias to Gengis khan. Why'd you guys expect any different?
Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/16/2015 21:29:05


kynte
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Nope. Neither were Timur's conquests or the conquests of the conquistadors. Genocide isn't just killing a lot of people. It refers to specifically trying to kill an ethnic/religious/racial/national/etc. group.

We're talking about literally the worst crime punishable under any law. It doesn't happen that often.

Also, what's up with Attlee's constant "was X genocide?" threads?
Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/16/2015 23:34:11


Darth Darth Binks
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The off-topic forum has these themed posts every now and then. The theme before 'genocide' was the US and police brutality, and before that there were these "should it be legal" threads.
Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/17/2015 03:29:35


Thomas 633
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And before that +1 -1 threads. Compared to the legal and +1 -1 this isn't a bad trend. Also no.
Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/17/2015 03:52:48

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Of course it was. Unlike the holocaust/holohoax, Mongol war crimes actually happened and he expressed his genocidal intent towards the Khwarezmians and Chinese before doing so.
Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/17/2015 03:55:42


Major General Smedley Butler
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Shut up. Ryan we have no need of your idiocy and holocaust denial.
Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/17/2015 04:06:07


knyte 
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Pretty sure Ryan's a troll, since most of what he says is demonstrably false. I mean, he's claiming the Mongols planned to exterminate a culture they ultimately assimilated into.

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Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/17/2015 06:21:29

Ryan
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By the time they assimilated, it was with his grandson, Kublai Khan.
Was the destruction under the Mongol Empire gencoi: 7/17/2015 06:22:40


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