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Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 07:01:30


l4v.r0v 
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There seems to be a rather high level of political discussion (at least higher than I'd expect in an online website where people play Risk) in these forums, and it's not too hard to find someone from the extreme right (i.e., fascism) here.

I'm wondering if that's true for the left. Where at my socialists (i.e., people who advocate in some way, shape, or form for worker control of the means of production) at? How about leftists in general- including social democrats and other liberals?

Maybe if there's enough of us we can track the fascists/sexists/racists/imperialists in a shared open blacklist. :D
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 10:36:36


Ox
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Me :D. From my knowledge, I've also heard that Panda and Juq are left. Juq being centre-left, and Panda being further left.
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 10:42:14


shyb
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i consider myself far left. i don't really want to blacklist anyone for their views. i just wish they would quiet down about it, cause i don't need political education from anyone.
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 10:51:16


l4v.r0v 
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I'm just tired of racists cluttering in-game chats and screaming that Africans are "knuckle-dragging half-apes" (a RT diplo from today).
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 15:22:45


Eklipse
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I don't really place well on the usual political spectrum. Although I guess you could say Im half leftist because I'm liberal on economic issues.
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 15:59:04


l4v.r0v 
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Liberal in the sense that you want more government control? Government-controlled economy + social conservatism is generally right-wing.
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 16:07:51


Fallen Angel
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I refuse to define myself as strictly 'left', or 'right', or anything else for that matter. To align myself completely with an ideology would be more of a hindrance than a help: I choose to debate each political/sociological problem individually, instead of following the herd of sheep.

That said, I do, generally, seem to agree more with those who call themselves left.
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 16:15:08


TBest 
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What is left and right depends from country to country. I mean all of US is to the right of Norway. So the average 'right' person in Norway probably would be a Democrat. I recommend to avoid using 'right' and 'left' on the internet, to avoid confusion.

Also as Fallen Angel said. "I choose to debate each political/sociological problem individually, instead of following the herd of sheep.

That said, I do, generally, seem to agree more with those who call themselves left."
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 16:19:58


Eklipse
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When I say economically liberal I mean that I embrace labor unions, working class benefits, socialist policies, etc.

Perhaps my terminology was off.
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 16:23:26


l4v.r0v 
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Ah no, your terminology wasn't off. I just get confused when people use the word "liberal" since it could mean many things.

When I use the term "left," I specifically refer to people who oppose capitalism on some level.

Also using the term "left" since socialists/communists tend to generally identify ourselves as "The Left" or "radical leftists."

Edited 6/27/2015 16:24:17
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 17:37:55

[Wolf] {F} Kellen the Conquerer
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I am middle but EXTREMELY SLIGHT left.



*Edit* Funny because I identify myself as a Republican

Edited 6/27/2015 17:38:27
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 19:13:56


l4v.r0v 
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I don't want to do any gatekeeping, but I was looking for... like, actual leftists. Not centrist liberals who misappropriate the label "leftist" in a bid to hide their marginzalization of anti-capitalist ideology. Social democrats, sure. Actual socialists, hell yeah.

Basically, if you are:

- anti-imperialist
- anti-fascist
- anti-capitalist
- opposed to all forms of structural oppression
- sympathetic to the idea of worker control of the means of production

you are who I'm trying to find.
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 19:16:40


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<- Socialist
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 19:16:43


Nex
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but I was looking for... like, actual leftists.


Sorry, I'm ambidextrous
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 20:32:04


Imperator
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Like some people said, It depends on your country. Basically all americans are centrists, centre-right or centre-left respectively.

I think that socialism is a great concept, but not so much so when you get assholes like Stalin and Hitler Implementing it.
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 20:57:40


Ox
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- anti-imperialist Check
- anti-fascist Check
- anti-capitalist Mostly, but not communist
- opposed to all forms of structural oppression I believe so, but I'm sure someone's going to come up with something that proves me wrong here. So I'll say over 90%
- sympathetic to the idea of worker control of the means of production Check
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 21:53:23


shyb
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ok to be more specific, i tend to agree with anarcho-syndicalism. so, just about as far left as you can go.
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 22:51:10


Benjamin628 
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Republican X

Democrat X

Awake
Where are my leftists at?: 6/27/2015 23:01:48


Eklipse
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- anti-imperialist
Check.
- anti-fascist
Check.
- anti-capitalist
Check.
- opposed to all forms of structural oppression
You'll have to be more specific on this one. The word oppression is thrown around quite a bit.
- sympathetic to the idea of worker control of the means of production
Check.
Where are my leftists at?: 6/28/2015 01:41:17


berdan131
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I think more important with simple distinction between left or right is something different.

Namely, to have an authority/government which follows the will of its people, state officials who are responsible for their actions and above all a wise folk who doesn't get manipulated and know how fight for their rights and take action in case of oppression.

To avoid situations like in this video:
How western elites poison us and the world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hj3LGvWWLU

When someone who is in power is against its own people we have a problem...
People are unaware because such taboo topics are avoided in mass-media.
I have hundreds of videos... Its all part of a bigger thing.

Edited 6/28/2015 01:44:58
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