Estonian shame...

Paraphrase
" You don't even have sources "

Practice what you preach.

Bereavement say what people are saying this propaganda without basis you could say that everything is accurate it mainly facts theories have true motive of Hitler but everything else is facts

Same goes to subjects as national socialism - have you any sense of what it means in real terms? If you can only link it with nazis then please at least google it.

You do realize where the word "Nazi" comes from, right? It's literally just an abbreviation for National Socialist.

National Socialism, by definition, is only linked to National Socialists- or Nazis.

Edited 6/19/2015 11:13:03

Gonna restate what I said in another thread: Fuck off Tranquilizer. This is a computer game's off topic forum. Very few of us are or have history majors. We're mostly just a bunch of folks who enjoy talking about it. So don't come with all your "Have your sources, don't believe the media" BS. You sound like an angry Conspiracy Theorist. Most of the stuff we've said is common knowledge. And I'm going to quote Ghengis here, because i liked what he said, "Practice what you preach" asshole.

I see there are a lot of inquirers/explorers present here.

So maybe Mr.Tranquilizer or someone else will find an answer to my topic https://www.warlight.net/Forum/95495-living-underground

:)

You do not need to worry Pie. I made huge mistake opening the forum the other day. Nothing has changed! People are the same spammers without logic or any sense of argumentative basis. Pie are your standards really that low only someone who has major in some field must have accurate and critical way of things? Common knowledge? You do not know what it means, or you are simply ignorant. False facts, interpretatons are common knowledge to you? They are, I agree only if you work in propaganda office. Yes, its game forum, and in essence does not matter what forum, one writes out of "enjoyment talking about it" but, does it include by your words terms, which meanings are not known to the writer?

Knyte you are almost right. Nazi = national socialist. But it does not mean that every national socialist is nazi. There are quite a lot and even nowadays non-german national socialism movements. Just the way people link every crime, racism and negativity with national socialism is just absurd. National socialism do not mean only German Nazi party on 20-30s. I just made comment how it was painted in first page.

"everything you watch is wrong and I will not explain why!"
- I just did by deduction, poor donor.

"Estonian shame..."
- Any context you would like to add? Or is America still "Waiting for Superman" to reform their poor education system?

" You don't even have sources ", Practice what you preach.
- What part of my reply requires source? Peoples ignorance (look around in a world, take off your blindfold). Deduction? As far as I see, I posted only criticism towards previously posted arguments. What source are you yearning for or desperately lacking?

Tranquilizer, if all you offer is criticism, you're going to need lots of sources or you're not going to be making any friends.

Oooh you opened a jar of shit bud.

People are the same spammers without logic or any sense of argumentative basis.
On the contrary, we may not have YOUR sense of logic, but we do argue fairly and well. And at least we stay on topic.
...are your standards really that low only someone who has major in some field must have accurate and critical way of things?
Of course not, but you can't expect us to know every fact prior, or do hours of research to make a point on a game forum.
Common knowledge? You do not know what it means, or you are simply ignorant. False facts, interpretatons are common knowledge to you? They are, I agree only if you work in propaganda office.
This is literally an argument about Nazism. There aren't many "false facts" about it, since they all died or got exiled, and everything about them was exposed. Most of what most people learn in schools is enough to know that the Nazis (the full believers) were absolute evil. It's common knowledge because you don't have to open a textbook or a research paper to find it.
Yes, its game forum, and in essence does not matter what forum, one writes out of "enjoyment talking about it" but, does it include by your words terms, which meanings are not known to the writer?
I don't even understand what you're saying here. We don't research this shit for the sake of an argument because we see no need to. This isn't some University debate, or even just a premeditated argument. It's just a bunch of guys expressing their views.

And I see you're still avoiding the "Preach what you practice" quote, which means it got you.

Any context you would like to add? Or is America still "Waiting for Superman" to reform their poor education system?

I'd like to add this context:

Ignorant people with no sense of history trying to interpretate historical facts, figures and events - all this thread is about.

Why history?
The greatest and strongest tool to alter peoples sense of understanding of history. Where do general people derive their petty knowledge of history? In schoolbooks, mass-media and close-community? Reliability of prevously mentioned sources - none! Question to propose - ever read and academic literature - the ones which has international standards, bias free, evidents that can be tested etc.? The answer would be probably hardly any?

Giving a argumented reply to these 2-page nonesess already would require a book or even a series. Just starting with OP. Fascism>National Socialism> Aryan Race> hate of yews> Hitler - as a subject trace used in OP.

We call these people Brain Donors :) We really do! I will give you 1 point for raising a question in thread - congratulations you have proved to be above avarage - as asking questions is dying breed. Do any of the following posts even noticed or reply - Yeah, LOL. People have proved to be lacking functional reading skills - you thank digital-social media and computer for that.

Any truth in Fascism? Define truth? Or how would you understand such thing as Fascism? What it is? Do you even know that you try to ask question of truth? It seems not, as you focus only on small keyword of Aryan race, hate of jews and Hitler. If this is your understanding of Fascism then clearly you have not read even wikipedia poor creature. Same goes to subjects as national socialism - have you any sense of what it means in real terms? If you can only link it with nazis then please at least google it. About Hitler and hate of jews - one of the biggests myths to test how gullible people really are. A painted fact to spread as Hitler started hating of jews and it was his personal endevour or fascism´s core principle was hate of jews etc. And about the replies - I like the pary how people claim, forward information like it would be general knowledge yet forget to add source to put any truth behind it. Especially the part where someone said "All historians claim..." wow - really all of them?

Watching documentaries, youtube, mass-media, school-books, commercial wartime "historical" books, your old papa and grannys wartime stories. Good luck poisoning your minds. If you cant get access to academic journals and databases, then there quite a some history learning-reasearch centers that offer basic overview and interpretation - although must be ware of who finances it or what type of angle they produce!

Calling someone fascism as insult is just tip of the ignorance. Its just like the words of noob and pro. It only makes one laught how sort-sighted people are and how they lack understanding of language and its meaning.

Good luck educating yourself or feeding your mind with everyday propaganda and nonsense!

Like Pie said, preach what you practise - because this is really nothing.

We talk aside of each other. Mis-talk or similar. I do not know how to express it in english. It aint exactly my first language as can be seen.

I asked what source you want or what am I missing? I did and do not intend to make it flame war nor be arrogant against anyone. No I do not expect one to know every fact. But the BASIC fact that if one uses a term he ought to know what it means and in this case It seemed like most of people can not make the difference even in terms like Fascims, nazism and national socialism? No false fact indeed using it, just bad interpretations putting them into same jar of shit. And if it felt any way that I preach that Nazism is not evil or anything like, then you misunderstood me.

Like I emphasized in my first post the OP deduction form - it was simply misleading. Second the talk about Mein Kamp and Hitler hating jews and it being the core principle - second absurd. Hate of jews was not Hitlers personal ambition nor invention. It is called antisemitism and its been around for centuries - and that is the common knowledge. If you want source to that then please Type in Google Scholar (for google E-book source) and search: antisemitism, hate of jews, nazism ideological principles etc, or for simple way just wikipedia for antisemitism - hoping it will give a core understanding of it and its origin - although not taking this info as full and granted.

What i meant by that is that hate of jews can´t be reduced to argument of Hitler and his personal belief.

To start about the topic then at first one must make sure he understands the core Terms - and in this case hardly its presumptions was fulfilled. I do not ask nor care research put accuracy of knowing what one types - at least in level on terms. Discussion follows to it. There is no point of comparing results if imput is incorrect. Its a lost cause and waste of time here - all that it has proved.

And I especially like the part how 3 people quote the one phrase over and over as said before "birds of a feather flock together" and "sheep bleep together".

Is it so hard to understand the idea behind source and what requires one and argument that does not? At least you knew how to turn argument vice-versa, but too bad context failed.

Edited 6/19/2015 20:38:11

Like Pie said, preach what you practise

6/19/2015 02:44:39


Genghis WarLight Member
Level 50

Paraphrase
" You don't even have sources "

Practice what you preach.

6/19/2015 09:45:25


OnlyThePie
Level 51
And I'm going to quote Ghengis here, because i liked what he said, "Practice what you preach" asshole.

^

We were in no way saying Facism and Nazism are the same. But we were saying that Antisemitism is a core belief of Hitler himself. The whole idea of punishing the Jews was his and the other Nazi leaders. Prove to me that Antisemitism wasn't propagandized, championed, and forced upon the German people by Hitler, and then I'll start giving you credit. But for now, as Genghis has so kindly illustrated, I want to smash my computer.

Pie. I was not referring to any of you. And yes, antisemitism was not only his but as well others Nazi leaders ideology. And antisemitism had its roots already previous to party in german, but like you said propagandized etc - and I could not agree more. I would not use the word forced that strong. Forced - yes, but antisemitism had its roots in Europe since middle-ages and Nazis just used the previous hatred to populize themselves. (Source any decent History Book or even Wikipedia; keyword roots of antisemitism in Europe)

I would not argue that it was merely political, there were definitely a lot personal hate among those, but it seems behind it was more of clever political-propagandist way to mobilize people for "a creater cause". Creating negative image of a jew and laying all the war, economic etc blame on jews worked rather effectively in internal affairs (For example the current European trend is to blame immigrants for everything). It was a propaganda - but who can we blame? The people who believed it or propaganda? Can we at all lay such accuse? I do not know the answer - it seems weird enought to judge dead people. But if you compare it to everyday political propaganda - then usually the voter holds the torch of blame not the propagandists. I had nor have any aim to prove antisemitism was not propangadized - it was and done quite effectively. But I would just add a fact that antisemitism is quite an old thing in Europe. What Nazis did - they just made it legal, state policy. My criticism was towards something else - it seems it went unnoticed!

By the way. I cant find the page, but there were site where people sold those old 90-s 2000-s old keyboards for smashing. It came quite cheap :) And believe or not - this company did quite well :D I am wondering whether they had a subscription list for ragers.

By the way. I cant find the page, but there were site where people sold those old 90-s 2000-s old keyboards for smashing. It came quite cheap :) And believe or not - this company did quite well :D I am wondering whether they had a subscription list for rager

What?

Smashing your Laptop-PC is quite expensive. Most people just used to smash-break their keyboard instead in rage mode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNq2oap_W9s

So someone came up with funny idea to start selling those old used white keyboards in 2010-s as they were cheap and people pretty much throwed them away or gave away for free. But it was best funny-joke to make for somoene to send a Repleacement-Rage-proof-keyboard or backup-for-raging.

I was ironical about the PC-smash topic.

I did not say that Hitler "invent" the anti-Semitism, is to start a new class of anti-Semitism on the basis of race, but most of the chance by who has cause to believe that, or he just really stupid .... I said that theories of why Hitler was a racist, I did not say he did something "new"
Before Nazism was anti-Semitic, but it was mostly economic things, because religion and kind of paranoid person with a different culture, a lot of cases was also very easy to blame the Jewish immigrant alien and mysterious
For example foolish belief that Jews started taking Christian children's blood, and it all began just a man who murdered a child and tried to frame the Jews (there was no evidence) to be acquitted

Most historians explain the advancement of the Jewish question as follows.

Hitler wrote about not liking Jews (and many other groups) in Mein Kampf 1923

In 1934 when Hitler takes power there is 1 day against the Jews

Until 1939 there is very little against the Jews there is talk up to 1941 about deporting rather than killing Jews

However WW2 means alot more Jews under German control

High up Nazi officials see away to get to Hitler in the polycratic Nazi system

Using the argument of "Working towards the Fuhrer" (Ian Kershaw) Jewish policy gets more and more radical until we get to the extermination camps.

Fascism didn't create the Jewish discrimination that it was seen alone.

The scary fact is that German people caused the Jewish issue to get where it did by 1945, not just Hitler's view otherwise it would have started before the war.

Both Hitler's leadership system and the Nazi officials are to blame.

Not just Hitler's views.

*minds blown*

not really. During Kristallnacht in 1938 the Jews essentially lost all their civil liberties and became second class citizens. Nobody ever thought it would go as far as mass genocide though.

I think I should also say that Concentration camps are really as bad as I used to think. In concentration camps people are simply "concentrated" in a small area, generally with poor slave working conditions. But you are still fed and you don't go to the gas chambers. The Concentration camps were not the major atrocity of WWll. America had their version of Concentration camps for Japanese Americans. The Soviets had hard labor and Concentration camps for prisoners of war, political disenters, (and yes, some jews).

The atrocities happened at the DEATH CAMPS. There were no gas chambers or human ovens at the concentration camps. It was at the DEATH CAMPS that the mass extermination of human life took place.

Its a little terminology but it pisses me off when people think that only the Nazi's had concentration camps.