Fascism is really just Nationalism combined with authoritarianism, which in its self isn't bad. It actually worked really well during World War 2 for germany, and they would have continued to conquer land if Hitler wasn't completely insane and decided to attack literally everyone in all directions.

While It can be pretty horrible for your political opponents to have their opinions oppressed, It could potentially end up bringing the country more closely together as a whole if you aren't allowed to criticize your government.

I'm not a Nazi or a nazi sympathizer. National Socialism is truly a horrible form of government. It is never a viable option. My point is more that fascism shouldn't be generalized as being National Socialism, a specific version of Fascism.

https://youtu.be/gYQofOt8nRg?t=1m34s

Let's say it short
Nazi racial theory
The best, the Aryan race should rule the world,Creates culture
Good but time has passed, Alpine Or Central Europe - French and maybe Italian , Creating a culture in the past,His time has passed and now the turn of the Nazi race,Because of this need to kill them.
Slavic race ,Imitator,they have no culture, they imitate the Aryan culture,they can be useful as a slaves
All the rest of the world, are worthless, Or die, or live outside the area of the Aryan race,(I'm not sure)
Jews, it's minus "parasite", is "Mstlt" global culture and the world, and we must fight and kill them by natural laws of Darwin (survival of the fittest), and the racial Harry "perfect" to delete the parasite Jew, the only way to save the world, must isolate and kill first
And that essence of Nazi doctrine
Besides, I know the female player.

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Elroi just chatted a lot of rubbish. I know he killed 6 million of your relatives but you don't need t lie... Germany is called Germany for a reason and that isn't because it is home to the Jews or the French... it's because it's home to the Germans. Hitler just killed Jews because it was good for the economy and nobody really cared. You have to remember that when you go to someone else's country you are a guest and you have no divine right to be there. What ties you to a land is where your ancestors and people lived... even though I originate in Germany I would never claim to be German. I'm English or Anglo-Saxon or British or Mercian. That's the land I grew up in and my parents and their parents grew up in. Jews were just as much guests in Germany as they are in Palestine. Germans are the people of Germany. No matter how much you hate Hitler do not blame the Germans as a nation. You went to them, they didn't ask you to come.
Open your eyes. See justice.

Germany is a false state made by the Prussian colonizers, #freesaxony

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#FreeNelsonMandela

Elroi just chatted a lot of rubbish. I know he killed 6 million of your relatives but you don't need t lie... Germany is called Germany for a reason and that isn't because it is home to the Jews or the French... it's because it's home to the Germans. Hitler just killed Jews because it was good for the economy and nobody really cared. You have to remember that when you go to someone else's country you are a guest and you have no divine right to be there. What ties you to a land is where your ancestors and people lived... even though I originate in Germany I would never claim to be German. I'm English or Anglo-Saxon or British or Mercian. That's the land I grew up in and my parents and their parents grew up in. Jews were just as much guests in Germany as they are in Palestine. Germans are the people of Germany. No matter how much you hate Hitler do not blame the Germans as a nation. You went to them, they didn't ask you to come.
Open your eyes. See justice.

Welp, time to slaughter all Englishmen, Anglo-Saxons, British or Mecians in Arabia.

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#freebavaria #freepomerania #hashtag

So there's a distinction between fascism and national socialism.

Fascism was essentially pionereed by Benito Mussolini and has the following core principles:

- the rejection of the individual as the fundamental building block of society (and thus the rejection of individual rights)

- an intense focus on the Nation

- the belief that a strong central leader (like the axe in a fasces) is essential to unite the Nation

- a rejection of modern ideals like pacifism, democracy, capitalism, socialism, etc.- fascism at its core is an intensely conservative ideology (as you might have guessed from the Rome-inspired regalia in Western Fascism, fascism's tendency toward violence against other ideologies and Nations, and fascism's aim to bring back the glory days of the Nation being a strong Empire)

In a way, fascism is the culmination of 20th-century European nationalism, the overwhelming desire to see your Nation (intentionally capitalizing the term to reflect the significance it has in fascism) prevail and utterly dominate. In a fascist society, you're also expected to conform, to adjust your lifestyle for the good of the Nation- because the Nation guided by a strong central leader needs you as an asset to achieve its goals.

National Socialism isn't the only variety of fascism. There's tons- there's Bonapartism, which calls for an enlightened despot of sorts to lead the people to a golden age of what could in some ways be considered liberalism (yep, it's essentially a liberal take on fascism)- another Napoleon of sorts to bring "revolutionary" ideals to the Nation.

Fascism is also not necessarily racial- Mussolini's idea of Italian, for example, was very inclusive to all races and religions. You just had to belong to the Nation as an idea. Part of this is hilariously accurate because the idea of a "nation" itself is a very modern and vaguely defined concept- nations historically have changed definition because the nation itself is something we create from thin air, and therefore inherently inclusive in the long run.

So is there something good about fascism? Well, it's an ideology that probably calls for a world we don't want to live in because we're used to the nation serving us (instead of the other way around). But a lot of us here are also intensely invested in the concept of empires, superpowers, and hegemony. We often want to see our nation do great things, often complain about democracy or market forces not leading to what we want for the nation and at least sometimes think that a strong person should just take control and guide the nation in the direction we want to go.

That's what fascism is. It viscerally appeals to a lot of people, and if you're that kind of nationalist, you just might be able to find something "good" in fascism.

Sometimes, i dream about distant past.

At one moment, I'm a man of the phalanx, fighting for my farm and my family back at home.

The next, I'm a Chinese lieutenant during the warring kingdoms period.

In another, I'm a simple hunter, observing natural phenomena in Alaska.

Or, i am an elephant herder, who rises into premonition among his tribe against the face of an invading neighbor.

Once i was a man recording a purchase in Babylon.

In another, i was fighting with my fellow warriors, only to be shot to pieces by gunfire, whilst my friend died from disease.

Once, i sat by a fire and had lunch with my wolf.

I've even seen the construction of Stonehenge.

I walked through a desert to make it to a new land.

HISTORY : It's amazing, it's educational, it is always revised, edited and altered, and it's pretty stupid.

^ That's a good point. Fascism is very revisionist, but then again you have to expect that from any nationalist ideology.

"Germany would have had a much better put position in world war 2 (still would have lost)."

I disagree. Germany easily could have won the second world war. Please entertain this scenario.

We know that Germany had Jet fighters as early as 1939 but never put them into production until 1944. Lets say the Germans would have had these for the Battle of Britain. Lets also say that when Germany conquered France in June 1940 that they also gained control of the french fleet. Lets also say that Japan declares war on Great Britain one year early and attack British ships in the pacific. With the help of the French and Italian Navies, German troops land on the shores of England and paratroopers land farther inland.

In this situation Great Britain would be checkmated.

Then with Britain out of the way, the Axis could regain strength and slaughter Russia in the next spring and summer before the cold sets in.

Even with all the Axis forces fighting unbarred (but with medium losses from the West Front) - you really think it would last less than a year? Russia is big - and the Germans didn't even get to Siberia, where the real fight begins. Napoléon lost, but took Moscow. Vasa lost, but took Moscow. Сибир

It would take years, not to mention America seeing a Europe dominated by an enemy is not something they want.

Partisan forces in Scotland and Middle Wales would also be a constant problem (2/3 French Interior Forces?)

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Xapy does have a good point. But mabye Germany could have convinced America that Stalin was worse and that we should side with Germany. (The Death camps were under construction in 1940 so it is a possiblity) that America would have sided with Germany.

Not to mention that if Germany owned all of the French and British empires (or controlled puppet French and British empires) that they would have a lot more influence over world politics.

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So what precisely would Germany do during this West war? Invade Fiji, Madagascar and Tamanrasset? Easier said than done.

But let's say it was done. American anti-Nazi/fascist propoganda was more intense than anti-Soviet propaganda. (And I think anti-Soviet propoganda completely disappeared 1941-1945).

The problem lies in that America was not on good terms with Japan. America really didn't have a horse in the Germany vs. Russia war but the peace talks were not going good with the Japanese.

Mabye if Germany had built an atomic bomb during a quiet time inbetween the invasion of england and the invasion of the USSR then they could just nuke Russia. But the earliest a bomb could be ready was 1945 for the Germans.

Dude... there is no way that scenario would happen. It just wouldn't.

Germany had knack for overextending their supply lines. It doesn't matter what day and age you are in, what sort of technology you have or equipment.

An army marches on its belly.

They did have a "horse" - they were for Britain and France, longtime allies (or at least better than the new revolutions of fascism and communism). Though America was reluctant to join, they still supplied Britain and France quite a bit. America was not against Japan, except for the grounds that it was allied with the supreme enemy (Adolf Hitler), as far as I know.

If Germany managed to build the atomic bomb first, and bomb Moscow, that would be devestating - but I think Russia would declare war on Germany before that - everyone read My Struggle and it was going to plan, so far.

"a army marches on it's belly" stupid super soldiers