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Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/16/2015 22:58:45


[WL] Colonel Harthacanute
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Now recently I came across a female player of WarLight who claimed to support National Socialism without the nasty bits. She wants a homeland for the "Aryan race" (which apparently I'm a part of) but would rather deport all the people of the other races.
This raises a big question in my mind which may have been simmering for a long time:
Who were the Nazis really???
Jewish people would just accuse you of holocaust denial and send you off to be raped by big black men behind steel and concrete for the rest of your life if you asked such questions in the past. Please if you are Jewish I am not questioning the fact that Hitler didn't kill your grandpa. I am merely asking if all the stories we hear about the Nazis are actually true.
For example, was Hitler an Aryan supremacist like we're told or was he just a Jew-hater??? After all he had black people in the German Army from their African colonies and whole divisions of the Gestapo were Muslim.
Please you don't have to remain serious but have some respect. After all, Hitler started it by invading Poland.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/16/2015 23:07:10


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Two words

Mien Kampf

Hitler wouldn't of wrote a book planning out his world domination and oppression of the Jews without hating Jews. Would he?

**Edit** So many ex-Nazis admit that it can't be a coincidence that they are trying to cover something deeper up. They did it and they admit they did it. This person you met is very strange. And when you say "Fascism without the bad stuff," what do you mean? Deporting everyone who isn't blonde with blue eyes IS bad stuff.

Edited 6/16/2015 23:09:10
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/16/2015 23:43:26


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Im appalled by the lack of thought that went into this. FASCISM ISNT NAZISM, FOOL!
Thee is a huge fucking distinction between a form of government and what is basically a religion. I am partially fascist, and im sick of people applying all these stereotypes to it, because it has given it the image of being evil and for this reason it cannot be practiced for the greater good.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/16/2015 23:53:32


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I didn't watch it, but many people recommend:

A documentary about Adolf Hitler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrKaDpn80SI
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/17/2015 03:21:30


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Who cares. Adolf Hitler was insane. Historians all agree that had someone more suitable took things up, Germany would have had a much better put position in world war 2 (still would have lost).

However, we often overlook the good side of Hitler.

1 simple example : the Autobahn. I think it still exists today. Important for German infrastructure and roadway.

Another : Hitler made a deadbeat country into a military slaughterhouse. It's pretty amazing, and in the middle of the Depression.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/17/2015 03:29:13


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....Then he ended up causing the division of Germany into four pieces for about a decade, then two pieces for the rest of the Cold War.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/17/2015 04:16:27


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Which led to Germany being the powerhouse it is today. You are trying to make cause and effect argument, but i checkmate you there.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/17/2015 04:22:19


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Many folk just gloss over the good things Hitler did - he donated his whole salary to the German Injured Workers' fund, he began a mass antismoking campaign (one of the first ones in history), and he was extremely pro-Animal rights, he revived German economy by putting someone who actually knew about economics as the Finance minister.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/17/2015 04:23:29


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Im appalled by the lack of thought that went into this. FASCISM ISNT NAZISM, FOOL!
Thee is a huge fucking distinction between a form of government and what is basically a religion. I am partially fascist, and im sick of people applying all these stereotypes to it, because it has given it the image of being evil and for this reason it cannot be practiced for the greater good.


True, but fascist is used as an insult to basically anyone who is not the same government-liker as you are. It has been used for the far-right to the far-left. You should get used to it.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/17/2015 04:30:47


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I didn't watch it, but many people recommend:

A documentary about Adolf Hitler

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]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrKaDpn80SI[/quote][/uZPYghPdnTkWrXvyg]

I think I've heard of this, and while I'm all for neutrality, I don't think this is neutral, I think this is pro-Nazi. I could be wrong though, I only watched 2 minutes.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/17/2015 11:27:35


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Fascism is really just Nationalism combined with authoritarianism, which in its self isn't bad. It actually worked really well during World War 2 for germany, and they would have continued to conquer land if Hitler wasn't completely insane and decided to attack literally everyone in all directions.

While It can be pretty horrible for your political opponents to have their opinions oppressed, It could potentially end up bringing the country more closely together as a whole if you aren't allowed to criticize your government.

I'm not a Nazi or a nazi sympathizer. National Socialism is truly a horrible form of government. It is never a viable option. My point is more that fascism shouldn't be generalized as being National Socialism, a specific version of Fascism.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/17/2015 14:32:37

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Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/17/2015 15:13:27

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Let's say it short
Nazi racial theory
The best, the Aryan race should rule the world,Creates culture
Good but time has passed, Alpine Or Central Europe - French and maybe Italian , Creating a culture in the past,His time has passed and now the turn of the Nazi race,Because of this need to kill them.
Slavic race ,Imitator,they have no culture, they imitate the Aryan culture,they can be useful as a slaves
All the rest of the world, are worthless, Or die, or live outside the area of the Aryan race,(I'm not sure)
Jews, it's minus "parasite", is "Mstlt" global culture and the world, and we must fight and kill them by natural laws of Darwin (survival of the fittest), and the racial Harry "perfect" to delete the parasite Jew, the only way to save the world, must isolate and kill first
And that essence of Nazi doctrine
Besides, I know the female player.

Edited 6/17/2015 15:14:43
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 00:57:10


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Elroi just chatted a lot of rubbish. I know he killed 6 million of your relatives but you don't need t lie... Germany is called Germany for a reason and that isn't because it is home to the Jews or the French... it's because it's home to the Germans. Hitler just killed Jews because it was good for the economy and nobody really cared. You have to remember that when you go to someone else's country you are a guest and you have no divine right to be there. What ties you to a land is where your ancestors and people lived... even though I originate in Germany I would never claim to be German. I'm English or Anglo-Saxon or British or Mercian. That's the land I grew up in and my parents and their parents grew up in. Jews were just as much guests in Germany as they are in Palestine. Germans are the people of Germany. No matter how much you hate Hitler do not blame the Germans as a nation. You went to them, they didn't ask you to come.
Open your eyes. See justice.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 01:16:40


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Germany is a false state made by the Prussian colonizers, #freesaxony

Edited 6/18/2015 01:17:00
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 01:27:49


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#FreeNelsonMandela
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 01:39:21


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Elroi just chatted a lot of rubbish. I know he killed 6 million of your relatives but you don't need t lie... Germany is called Germany for a reason and that isn't because it is home to the Jews or the French... it's because it's home to the Germans. Hitler just killed Jews because it was good for the economy and nobody really cared. You have to remember that when you go to someone else's country you are a guest and you have no divine right to be there. What ties you to a land is where your ancestors and people lived... even though I originate in Germany I would never claim to be German. I'm English or Anglo-Saxon or British or Mercian. That's the land I grew up in and my parents and their parents grew up in. Jews were just as much guests in Germany as they are in Palestine. Germans are the people of Germany. No matter how much you hate Hitler do not blame the Germans as a nation. You went to them, they didn't ask you to come.
Open your eyes. See justice.


Welp, time to slaughter all Englishmen, Anglo-Saxons, British or Mecians in Arabia.

Edited 6/18/2015 01:39:47
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 02:21:21


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#freebavaria #freepomerania #hashtag
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 03:22:30


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So there's a distinction between fascism and national socialism.

Fascism was essentially pionereed by Benito Mussolini and has the following core principles:

- the rejection of the individual as the fundamental building block of society (and thus the rejection of individual rights)

- an intense focus on the Nation

- the belief that a strong central leader (like the axe in a fasces) is essential to unite the Nation

- a rejection of modern ideals like pacifism, democracy, capitalism, socialism, etc.- fascism at its core is an intensely conservative ideology (as you might have guessed from the Rome-inspired regalia in Western Fascism, fascism's tendency toward violence against other ideologies and Nations, and fascism's aim to bring back the glory days of the Nation being a strong Empire)

In a way, fascism is the culmination of 20th-century European nationalism, the overwhelming desire to see your Nation (intentionally capitalizing the term to reflect the significance it has in fascism) prevail and utterly dominate. In a fascist society, you're also expected to conform, to adjust your lifestyle for the good of the Nation- because the Nation guided by a strong central leader needs you as an asset to achieve its goals.

National Socialism isn't the only variety of fascism. There's tons- there's Bonapartism, which calls for an enlightened despot of sorts to lead the people to a golden age of what could in some ways be considered liberalism (yep, it's essentially a liberal take on fascism)- another Napoleon of sorts to bring "revolutionary" ideals to the Nation.

Fascism is also not necessarily racial- Mussolini's idea of Italian, for example, was very inclusive to all races and religions. You just had to belong to the Nation as an idea. Part of this is hilariously accurate because the idea of a "nation" itself is a very modern and vaguely defined concept- nations historically have changed definition because the nation itself is something we create from thin air, and therefore inherently inclusive in the long run.

So is there something good about fascism? Well, it's an ideology that probably calls for a world we don't want to live in because we're used to the nation serving us (instead of the other way around). But a lot of us here are also intensely invested in the concept of empires, superpowers, and hegemony. We often want to see our nation do great things, often complain about democracy or market forces not leading to what we want for the nation and at least sometimes think that a strong person should just take control and guide the nation in the direction we want to go.

That's what fascism is. It viscerally appeals to a lot of people, and if you're that kind of nationalist, you just might be able to find something "good" in fascism.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 05:10:28


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Sometimes, i dream about distant past.

At one moment, I'm a man of the phalanx, fighting for my farm and my family back at home.

The next, I'm a Chinese lieutenant during the warring kingdoms period.

In another, I'm a simple hunter, observing natural phenomena in Alaska.

Or, i am an elephant herder, who rises into premonition among his tribe against the face of an invading neighbor.

Once i was a man recording a purchase in Babylon.

In another, i was fighting with my fellow warriors, only to be shot to pieces by gunfire, whilst my friend died from disease.

Once, i sat by a fire and had lunch with my wolf.

I've even seen the construction of Stonehenge.

I walked through a desert to make it to a new land.

HISTORY : It's amazing, it's educational, it is always revised, edited and altered, and it's pretty stupid.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 05:28:47


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^ That's a good point. Fascism is very revisionist, but then again you have to expect that from any nationalist ideology.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 05:37:37


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"Germany would have had a much better put position in world war 2 (still would have lost)."

I disagree. Germany easily could have won the second world war. Please entertain this scenario.

We know that Germany had Jet fighters as early as 1939 but never put them into production until 1944. Lets say the Germans would have had these for the Battle of Britain. Lets also say that when Germany conquered France in June 1940 that they also gained control of the french fleet. Lets also say that Japan declares war on Great Britain one year early and attack British ships in the pacific. With the help of the French and Italian Navies, German troops land on the shores of England and paratroopers land farther inland.

In this situation Great Britain would be checkmated.

Then with Britain out of the way, the Axis could regain strength and slaughter Russia in the next spring and summer before the cold sets in.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 05:41:42


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Even with all the Axis forces fighting unbarred (but with medium losses from the West Front) - you really think it would last less than a year? Russia is big - and the Germans didn't even get to Siberia, where the real fight begins. Napoléon lost, but took Moscow. Vasa lost, but took Moscow. Сибир

It would take years, not to mention America seeing a Europe dominated by an enemy is not something they want.

Partisan forces in Scotland and Middle Wales would also be a constant problem (2/3 French Interior Forces?)

Edited 6/18/2015 05:43:50
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 05:51:43


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Xapy does have a good point. But mabye Germany could have convinced America that Stalin was worse and that we should side with Germany. (The Death camps were under construction in 1940 so it is a possiblity) that America would have sided with Germany.

Not to mention that if Germany owned all of the French and British empires (or controlled puppet French and British empires) that they would have a lot more influence over world politics.

Edited 6/18/2015 05:52:02
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 06:02:00


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So what precisely would Germany do during this West war? Invade Fiji, Madagascar and Tamanrasset? Easier said than done.

But let's say it was done. American anti-Nazi/fascist propoganda was more intense than anti-Soviet propaganda. (And I think anti-Soviet propoganda completely disappeared 1941-1945).
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 06:10:43


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The problem lies in that America was not on good terms with Japan. America really didn't have a horse in the Germany vs. Russia war but the peace talks were not going good with the Japanese.

Mabye if Germany had built an atomic bomb during a quiet time inbetween the invasion of england and the invasion of the USSR then they could just nuke Russia. But the earliest a bomb could be ready was 1945 for the Germans.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 06:15:26


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Dude... there is no way that scenario would happen. It just wouldn't.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 06:18:22


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Germany had knack for overextending their supply lines. It doesn't matter what day and age you are in, what sort of technology you have or equipment.

An army marches on its belly.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 06:19:06


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They did have a "horse" - they were for Britain and France, longtime allies (or at least better than the new revolutions of fascism and communism). Though America was reluctant to join, they still supplied Britain and France quite a bit. America was not against Japan, except for the grounds that it was allied with the supreme enemy (Adolf Hitler), as far as I know.

If Germany managed to build the atomic bomb first, and bomb Moscow, that would be devestating - but I think Russia would declare war on Germany before that - everyone read My Struggle and it was going to plan, so far.
Is There Even Slight Truths In Fascism?: 6/18/2015 06:24:09


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"a army marches on it's belly" stupid super soldiers
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