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the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/27/2015 14:33:47


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-Division into occupation Zone
-millions dead
-Formation of ISIS / hate against the United States
-Tension betwen Shiites and Sunnis
- Kurdish autonomy
-annihilation of Taliban, Hussein, Bin Laden ....



what were other consequences of this wars?
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/27/2015 15:36:14


Жұқтыру
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Getting rich.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/27/2015 15:50:10


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haha ;) thats right! please only consequences that affect to the Region iraq/Afghanistan
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/27/2015 19:01:00

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People moving from their families to join Islamic State.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/27/2015 23:37:25


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The Ma'dan don't lose their marshlands (that was in response to a failed Shia uprising) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draining_of_the_Mesopotamian_Marshes

And Saddam is dead and the key to Detroit is lost somewhere in Iraq
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/28/2015 18:49:30


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Since when did Afghanistan and Iraq go to war???



If they went to war, they'd have to go through Iran.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/28/2015 21:35:25


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Usa declars war on Afghanistan and later on iraq
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/28/2015 22:06:13


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There was such a thing as the Iran-Iraq war, but no Afghan-Iraq war, I'm afraid.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/28/2015 22:07:54

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It will happen once Iran is nuked by Israel, then Iraq and Afghanistan will have common borders!
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/28/2015 22:14:55


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What "consequences"?

You mean freedom, a bill of rights and the introduction of democratic society? Harharharharhuehuehuehuexixixi.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/28/2015 22:16:56


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You mean freedom, a bill of rights and the introduction of democratic society? Harharharharhuehuehuehuexixixi.

Until ISIS showed up with the intent of sending Iraq back to the Dark Ages.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/28/2015 22:26:32

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You mean freedom, a bill of rights and the introduction of democratic society? Harharharharhuehuehuehuexixixi.

Until ISIS showed up with the intent of sending Iraq back to the Dark Ages.


Iraq is just the tip of the iceberg. Beneath the surface are the disasters brewing in Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan and Sub-Saharan Africa. Add to that the possibility of the Syrian-ization of Ukraine. These are the fruits of US destabilization.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/28/2015 22:33:07


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Pakistan's a powerful country - they have a good military, they are just letting terrorists run loose in the "tribal zones".
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/29/2015 00:03:37


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Beneath the surface are the disasters brewing in Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan and Sub-Saharan Africa. Add to that the possibility of the Syrian-ization of Ukraine. These are the fruits of US destabilization.

I'll admit that the U.S has had a role in the creation of many of these problems, but to take such broad strokes and imply that it's all solely because of the U.S is unfair. In the first four cases, the real problem is Islamic extremism. No amount of U.S activity would of been able to create ISIS or similar groups without Islamic extremism already being a widespread problem.

I also fail to see how the U.S is to blame for the situation in Ukraine. It's more of a Russia vs. the rest of Europe matter than anything else.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/29/2015 13:30:57


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NATO is America's dogs.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/29/2015 13:36:55


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Who mentioned anything about NATO? NATO =/= Europe. Unless the EU is just America's dogs as well.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/29/2015 13:58:08


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No amount of U.S activity would of been able to create ISIS or similar groups without Islamic extremism already being a widespread problem.

Islamic extremism existing is not the full problem, another extremely important aspect is allowing these groups to get power, by supplying them in various ways, with weapons and financial aid.

USA are not to blame for Islamic extremism, but they are to blame allowing Al Qaeda to obtain the power they did.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/29/2015 14:22:38


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I am pretty sure Islamic radicalism in Afghanistan was directly caused by America.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/29/2015 17:49:20


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I am pretty sure Islamic radicalism in Afghanistan was directly caused by America.

How so? The Taliban formed in response to Soviet invasion. America's mistake in the matter was supplying and supporting the Taliban, but there was no way of predicting what the Taliban would turn into after the Soviet invasion ended.

Blaming the U.S for the very existence of terrorist groups in the Middle East is like blaming the crimes of the U.S on France, because the United States wouldn't have gained the power it has without France's support in the past.

Edited 5/29/2015 17:49:40
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/29/2015 22:03:07


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ISIS was not formed in Afghanistan nor in Iraq, it was formed in Syria.

Syria is going through a serious civil war, and the USA doesn't quite like the current syrian dictator, so they armed the rebels with guns and such.

Though, the rebels decided it was no longer good to waste effort fighting the government. They dropped the bloodshed against the government temporarily and formed a "caliphate" that has never been recognized as a nation in Kurdistan's region. And there they stood, recruiting, gaining power slowly.

The Iraq/Afghanistan wars has not much to do regarding the foundation of the ISIS. Specially because Afghanistan is not linked nor borders their territory. As for Iraq, likely some iraqi people who hated the USA for the attack joined the ISIS, that could be true, but their founders are not iraqi, so it's not directly the USA's fault.

As for the islamic radicalism in Afghanistan... I'd say these tribemen are ungrateful fools, america saved them from the USSR in the past, and using the guns they gained in the process they later attacked the western world because of different visions of morals.

Iraq is just the tip of the iceberg. Beneath the surface are the disasters brewing in Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan and Sub-Saharan Africa. Add to that the possibility of the Syrian-ization of Ukraine. These are the fruits of US destabilization.


As mentioned before, Pakistan is a big deal. Ever played World Countries 2012/2014 map? There is a reason Pakistan is 5 in 2012 and 7 in 2014. It has nukes and a powerful military power.

How so? The Taliban formed in response to Soviet invasion. America's mistake in the matter was supplying and supporting the Taliban, but there was no way of predicting what the Taliban would turn into after the Soviet invasion ended.


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Just one thing, though: It wasn't the Taleban, the original group formed was Mujahideen. It later split into Taleban (national terrorism - took over Afghanistan) and Al Qaeda (international terrorism - 9/11'd the WTC)

- Kurdish autonomy
-annihilation of Taliban, Hussein, Bin Laden


Kurdistan is not an official country yet, and I can't see how that is bad. Hussein and all other Iraqi/Syrian leaders hunted them to death. And nowadays they are being genocided by ISIS. Also, I fail to see how the deaths of Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden and the extermination of the Taleban are bad things.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/29/2015 22:04:09


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America directly aided Islamic extremists against a legitimate communist government, helped radicalize many Afghans, and lied to the world about the "soviet invasion" which really was the Soviet government sending troops to Afghanistan at the behest of the Afghan government.
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/29/2015 22:18:32

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what about Israel? (do you think they are also linked with CIA "mysterious operations" and plotting against Middle Eastern muslims?)
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/29/2015 23:07:23


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America directly aided Islamic extremists against a legitimate communist government, helped radicalize many Afghans, and lied to the world about the "soviet invasion" which really was the Soviet government sending troops to Afghanistan at the behest of the Afghan government.

No lies were told. The Soviets were interfering with the already on-going civil war in Afghanistan, so in the usual Cold War fashion the U.S interfered in favor of the opposing side. I suppose you could argue that Afghanistan would of been better off if the Soviets had won, but things would of just fallen apart again when the U.S.S.R collapsed.

The rebels in question were already radicalized, as many fighters were there for the expressed purpose of fighting the largely atheist communists.

It's also noteworthy that these rebels received support from SEVERAL countries outside the U.S, including Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Are those countries to blame for the Taliban's existence as well?
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/30/2015 11:56:36


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the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/30/2015 11:57:40

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^ Hot dudes
the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 5/30/2015 11:59:43

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You forgot the hottest one!

the consequences of the afgahn/iraq war: 6/3/2015 16:26:18


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Specialy the question. What are the follow of the afgahn war?
I found out that ISAF troops have been stationed and that the country has been destroyed. But i would like to know more follow of this war...
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