-Division into occupation Zone
-millions dead
-Formation of ISIS / hate against the United States
-Tension betwen Shiites and Sunnis
- Kurdish autonomy
-annihilation of Taliban, Hussein, Bin Laden ....



what were other consequences of this wars?

Getting rich.

haha ;) thats right! please only consequences that affect to the Region iraq/Afghanistan

People moving from their families to join Islamic State.

The Ma'dan don't lose their marshlands (that was in response to a failed Shia uprising) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draining_of_the_Mesopotamian_Marshes

And Saddam is dead and the key to Detroit is lost somewhere in Iraq

Since when did Afghanistan and Iraq go to war???



If they went to war, they'd have to go through Iran.

Usa declars war on Afghanistan and later on iraq

There was such a thing as the Iran-Iraq war, but no Afghan-Iraq war, I'm afraid.

It will happen once Iran is nuked by Israel, then Iraq and Afghanistan will have common borders!

What "consequences"?

You mean freedom, a bill of rights and the introduction of democratic society? Harharharharhuehuehuehuexixixi.

You mean freedom, a bill of rights and the introduction of democratic society? Harharharharhuehuehuehuexixixi.

Until ISIS showed up with the intent of sending Iraq back to the Dark Ages.

You mean freedom, a bill of rights and the introduction of democratic society? Harharharharhuehuehuehuexixixi.

Until ISIS showed up with the intent of sending Iraq back to the Dark Ages.

Iraq is just the tip of the iceberg. Beneath the surface are the disasters brewing in Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan and Sub-Saharan Africa. Add to that the possibility of the Syrian-ization of Ukraine. These are the fruits of US destabilization.

Pakistan's a powerful country - they have a good military, they are just letting terrorists run loose in the "tribal zones".

Beneath the surface are the disasters brewing in Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan and Sub-Saharan Africa. Add to that the possibility of the Syrian-ization of Ukraine. These are the fruits of US destabilization.

I'll admit that the U.S has had a role in the creation of many of these problems, but to take such broad strokes and imply that it's all solely because of the U.S is unfair. In the first four cases, the real problem is Islamic extremism. No amount of U.S activity would of been able to create ISIS or similar groups without Islamic extremism already being a widespread problem.

I also fail to see how the U.S is to blame for the situation in Ukraine. It's more of a Russia vs. the rest of Europe matter than anything else.

NATO is America's dogs.

Who mentioned anything about NATO? NATO =/= Europe. Unless the EU is just America's dogs as well.

No amount of U.S activity would of been able to create ISIS or similar groups without Islamic extremism already being a widespread problem.

Islamic extremism existing is not the full problem, another extremely important aspect is allowing these groups to get power, by supplying them in various ways, with weapons and financial aid.

USA are not to blame for Islamic extremism, but they are to blame allowing Al Qaeda to obtain the power they did.

I am pretty sure Islamic radicalism in Afghanistan was directly caused by America.

I am pretty sure Islamic radicalism in Afghanistan was directly caused by America.

How so? The Taliban formed in response to Soviet invasion. America's mistake in the matter was supplying and supporting the Taliban, but there was no way of predicting what the Taliban would turn into after the Soviet invasion ended.

Blaming the U.S for the very existence of terrorist groups in the Middle East is like blaming the crimes of the U.S on France, because the United States wouldn't have gained the power it has without France's support in the past.

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ISIS was not formed in Afghanistan nor in Iraq, it was formed in Syria.

Syria is going through a serious civil war, and the USA doesn't quite like the current syrian dictator, so they armed the rebels with guns and such.

Though, the rebels decided it was no longer good to waste effort fighting the government. They dropped the bloodshed against the government temporarily and formed a "caliphate" that has never been recognized as a nation in Kurdistan's region. And there they stood, recruiting, gaining power slowly.

The Iraq/Afghanistan wars has not much to do regarding the foundation of the ISIS. Specially because Afghanistan is not linked nor borders their territory. As for Iraq, likely some iraqi people who hated the USA for the attack joined the ISIS, that could be true, but their founders are not iraqi, so it's not directly the USA's fault.

As for the islamic radicalism in Afghanistan... I'd say these tribemen are ungrateful fools, america saved them from the USSR in the past, and using the guns they gained in the process they later attacked the western world because of different visions of morals.

Iraq is just the tip of the iceberg. Beneath the surface are the disasters brewing in Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan and Sub-Saharan Africa. Add to that the possibility of the Syrian-ization of Ukraine. These are the fruits of US destabilization.

As mentioned before, Pakistan is a big deal. Ever played World Countries 2012/2014 map? There is a reason Pakistan is 5 in 2012 and 7 in 2014. It has nukes and a powerful military power.

How so? The Taliban formed in response to Soviet invasion. America's mistake in the matter was supplying and supporting the Taliban, but there was no way of predicting what the Taliban would turn into after the Soviet invasion ended.

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Just one thing, though: It wasn't the Taleban, the original group formed was Mujahideen. It later split into Taleban (national terrorism - took over Afghanistan) and Al Qaeda (international terrorism - 9/11'd the WTC)

- Kurdish autonomy
-annihilation of Taliban, Hussein, Bin Laden

Kurdistan is not an official country yet, and I can't see how that is bad. Hussein and all other Iraqi/Syrian leaders hunted them to death. And nowadays they are being genocided by ISIS. Also, I fail to see how the deaths of Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden and the extermination of the Taleban are bad things.