Islam for life. Salifism Islam.

The way I see it is, Jesus (New Testament) said that we are nobody to judge, for we are not God, therefore, we should not persecute anyone for the way they live their life (if nobody else is affected) and let God be the judge, if God exists.

That is a pretty narrow-minded observation.

Imagine that God didn't tell us how to live our lives, he just told us that we should do whatever we wanted and hope for the best. God did tell us how to live our lives. And God sets us trials all the time to test our faith in Him. It is quite possible that Satan will seduce you into committing acts which are treasonous in God's eyes by using the fact that they "do not hurt anybody" as a cover. Since when was the fact that something doesn't hurt somebody an excuse for sin?

Islam for life. Salifism Islam.

I am not a Salafist. As far as I know there is no such thing... I have never met one.

I am, though, a Salafi. This is a word of ascription meaning one who follows the Salaf.

You will find most, even so-called "liberal Muslims", of the world's population of Muslims describing themselves using this word.

The Salaf can be translated to mean "pious predecessors". They are the scholars who have passed away, with a trail of them from our time, leading to the companions of the Prophet Muhammad.

You are right, God did give us a list of things we ought to do. He also gave us free choice to do what we want to do, and in the end, only He will judge us on those acts.

But still, I am a Christian, meaning believer and follower of Christ, Jesus. And Jesus does not want you or I to condemn, for it is not our place. It is not a narrow-minded way of thinking.

You are right, God did give us a list of things we ought to do. He also gave us free choice to do what we want to do, and in the end, only He will judge us on those acts.

But still, I am a Christian, meaning believer and follower of Christ, Jesus. And Jesus does not want you or I to condemn, for it is not our place. It is not a narrow-minded way of thinking.

So tell me, how do you know if something is right or wrong?

Is not having having sexual relations with a child wrong? But God told you not to condemn?

Jesus also said to follow the law of your king. If having a relationship with a child is illegal, then that person will be punished by the king's (person in charge) government. If it is illegal to have homosexual relationships, then one should not partake in them; but if they are legal, then one is lawfully allowed to partake in them. But God is the first, most important, and final judge. The only thing one should always do, no matter what law exists, is to believe in God, and not deny his existence.

right and wrong, and good and bad, are ultimately decided by God (assuming God is real), but human morals all derive from our feelings of guilt, which vary between all of us, which is why laws need to be established in the first place.

I'm going to bed, so don't expect another response from me for a while. Good night, friend.

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its kinda right to not have sex with kids.

Before coming to the WarLight forums, I had no interaction with someone who was not heterosexual.
Since coming to the WarLight forums, I have been enlightened. No longer do I consider homosexuals as equals.

You should join clan league

Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Absolutely nobody can criticize Homosexuals for committing homosexual acts, since before you do you will have to examine your own sins, particularly sexual sins. The majority of people have committed fornication, adultery, or both, which are no different in God's eyes than homosexual acts. In the case that neither have been committed, There is absolutely zero percent chance that you are sinless. This whole holier-than-thou attitude that most american christians have towards non-believers is very disturbing to me.

My point is, Homosexuals are exactly the same in God's eyes as other non-believers; They are sinners who have not confessed that they are sinners and asked for forgiveness.

Which brings my second point; Homosexual acts are absolutely NOT okay.

Jesus also said "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven". It is very important for Christian Priests(in the version of christianity that I practice, everyone) to teach the law of God and not Attempt to abolish it.

To summarize, It is NOT OKAY to teach that Sexual sins(Fornication, Paraphilias, Homosexual Acts, Adultery, Incest) are Okay, and it is NOT OKAY to be mean to anyone based on their sins.

*mfw I saw Forbidden Knowledge's clan league comment yet again*

https://youtu.be/-9WrIs-N6ws?t=2m7s

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Intelligence of forbidden's comment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t97R3jxbl6E

Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

Absolutely nobody can criticize Homosexuals for committing homosexual acts, since before you do you will have to examine your own sins, particularly sexual sins. The majority of people have committed fornication, adultery, or both, which are no different in God's eyes than homosexual acts. In the case that neither have been committed, There is absolutely zero percent chance that you are sinless. This whole holier-than-thou attitude that most american christians have towards non-believers is very disturbing to me.

Sorry if I came across as "holier-than-thou". However, there are two things you must realise. The first, is that I am not American, and the second is that I am not Christian. In fact, I have never been to America, and I was never a Christian.

I am not trying to prove how religious I am, I am merely trying to understand another person's mental state when they say things which go against humanity as a whole. I sincerely believe that those who think that homosexuality is even minutely okay have been brainwashed. Roma children are brought up in their culture believing that it is good to steal from "rich" people. In ancient Greek times, Sparta children were brought up with the idea that lying to get out of trouble was of noble character. The fact that the people believed those things were good, doesn't prevent them from sinning due to it. After all, Sodom and Gomorrah thought nothing was wrong with homosexuality, and God didn't forgive them.

I am with you on the point that nobody is sinless. Satan draws the noblest of us into sin when we are off-guard. However, we must face the consequences in the afterlife if we do not repent and we are not regretful. When God is judging us, it will be too late. It is impossible to repent for a sin, when you do not believe that it is wrong in the first place.
Some people believe that we should just leave them to their fate. I find this attitude most disturbing. Is it not human nature to want to save as many humans as possible from the wrath of God. We know that God dislikes sin, and he becomes angry due to it, so if we prevent a sin, we are actually pleasing Him.

My point is, Homosexuals are exactly the same in God's eyes as other non-believers; They are sinners who have not confessed that they are sinners and asked for forgiveness.

Which brings my second point; Homosexual acts are absolutely NOT okay.

Jesus also said "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven". It is very important for Christian Priests(in the version of christianity that I practice, everyone) to teach the law of God and not Attempt to abolish it.

To summarize, It is NOT OKAY to teach that Sexual sins(Fornication, Paraphilias, Homosexual Acts, Adultery, Incest) are Okay, and it is NOT OKAY to be mean to anyone based on their sins.

I understand your point, but let me just bring in here what our good friend Martian said:

Jesus also said to follow the law of your king. If having a relationship with a child is illegal, then that person will be punished by the king's (person in charge) government. If it is illegal to have homosexual relationships, then one should not partake in them; but if they are legal, then one is lawfully allowed to partake in them. But God is the first, most important, and final judge. The only thing one should always do, no matter what law exists, is to believe in God, and not deny his existence.

right and wrong, and good and bad, are ultimately decided by God (assuming God is real), but human morals all derive from our feelings of guilt, which vary between all of us, which is why laws need to be established in the first place.

It is not okay to commit sins such as homosexuality, we agree on that.
However, in the lands of the West, which describe themselves as "Christian countries" (well, in my case they do, anyway), homosexuality is given the blind eye. Obviously in this case, we cannot physically stop homosexuality from taking place, as nobody is above the law. However, it is possible to advise people that we meet to refrain from taking part in such sins on religious grounds without taking physical action against them. If I see a homosexual walking down the street, I don't think any reasonable person would suggest that, even though our love for God might draw us to make such mistakes, we should harm that person. Violence will probably make that person less susceptible to changing his/her ways.

Being kind and nice to a person. Telling them that God doesn't like what they are doing, and being nice to them, even if they react in a horrible way back, does a million more than bashing their head-in.

Moving on to my last note, human morals are not ascertained by feelings of guilt. As I mentioned before, there were and are people who genuinely believ(ed) that lying and stealing are good traits.

You know what,screw you assholes, you are all posting shit posts!

there were and are people who genuinely believ(ed) that lying and stealing are good traits.

Which means they have no guilt when they lie or steal.

Sorry, I'll stop being a smart*ss now.

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It is because of the warlight makes us hippie !!: O
This is because before you know you are more afraid of them, and after that you know you'll be more tolerant, probably.
And in your case I guess you did not see who really Gay,,,, (It still does not make them not to disturbing ...

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Sorry if I came across as "holier-than-thou". However, there are two things you must realise. The first, is that I am not American, and the second is that I am not Christian. In fact, I have never been to America, and I was never a Christian.

I wasn't actually referring to you or anyone else in particular when I made that comment; I was referring to, as I said, Most american christians. I'm actually really sorry If It came across that way. I was actually under the impression that you were a Muslim?

The point I intended to make but didn't really was that It's actually pretty pointless to attempt to stop unconverted individuals from sinning, sine they will still be punished in the afterlife for being unconverted. In addition to this, like you said: These things, to them, are not even morally wrong things to do, since they do not follow the same moral code as theists do.

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You people amaze me. How can someone be a sinner if they do not believe in that religion? If I eat bacon but am not Muslim, does that make me a violator of Islam? If I eat meat on a Friday during lent, but I am not Christian, does that make me a sinner? What about if I have sex before getting married?

You can have the belief that something is immoral, but that does not make someone a sinner when they do not practice that religion.

True Christianity is following what is layed out in the New Testament and nothing more or less. Denominations form because people do not do all that God has said to do or do more.

People have this unfortunate attitude that nobody is supposed to judge anyone for any sin. The Bible does not even say this. They often refer to Matthew 7 when Jesus says "Judge not that you be not judged," however they are taking it out of context. If you read the whole paragraph that the statement is in, Jesus is talking about hypocritical judging. That is when people go around pointing out faults in others when they themselves have much greater problems. The New Testament teaches in 2 Timothy 4:2 "Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching." True Christians need to correct sinful behavior but not judgingly or hypocritically. Homosexuality is a sin just the same as any other sin and people need to be brought to repentance.

Also God is the creator of all things and the ultimate judge. If something is a sin it is a sin whether or not a person follows Christ or believes in God.

Chris was right on the money. Expanding upon that, admitting your sins is the first step to resolving your sin. It's actually a very good life moral. You should admit wrongdoings. As far as homosexuality goes, it's just your personal perception of God's word.

Expanding on "sex before marriage", i think that you could translate a modern times equivalent from boyfriend and girlfriend. After all, marriage has a very different meaning these days.

You people amaze me. How can someone be a sinner if they do not believe in that religion? If I eat bacon but am not Muslim, does that make me a violator of Islam? If I eat meat on a Friday during lent, but I am not Christian, does that make me a sinner? What about if I have sex before getting married?

You can have the belief that something is immoral, but that does not make someone a sinner when they do not practice that religion.

Once you start thinking about this logic, It falls apart very quickly, especially if you try to apply it to real-life scenarios.

The logic is as follows:

If someone doesn't believe that it is morally wrong to break a command given to them by a higher authority, Then when they break the command they have not broken the command and are not a command-breaker.

Here is it applied to some examples:

If Someone who lives in the US doesn't believe that it is morally wrong to murder, then when they murder they have not committed a crime and are not a criminal.

If a father tells his son not to steal some candy, and the son doesn't believe that it is morally wrong to steal candy, then when he does steal candy he is not a thief and he has not committed theft.

If God tells you not to have sex with your mom, and you believe that it is not morally wrong to have sex with your mom, then when you have sex with your mom you have not committed sin and are not a sinner.

Saying that you do not believe that a higher power(The US Government, Your Dad, God) exists does not exempt you from the law.

If that higher power is the government, you will still be guilty of a crime, and you will still be a convicted criminal after you are caught, whether or not you believe that the government exists.

If that higher power is your dad, you'll Probably still get grounded whether or not you believe that your dad exists.

If that Higher power is God, you are still a sinner and will receive due punishment for your sins in the afterlife.

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