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9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 11:54:40


[WL] Colonel Harthacanute
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George Bush:

-Claims Taliban are enforcing Shariah law on Afghans
-Invades Afghanistan and enforces democracy on Afghans

-Claims Saddam Hussein is a ruthless dictator in Iraq
-Slaughters Iraqis to put them out of their misery
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 13:28:17


OttomanEmpire
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@Lawlz

Well they both suck.

Edited 5/18/2015 19:06:06
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 13:29:03


OttomanEmpire
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@[Falcon] Colonel Harthacanute

But US is the good guy.
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 14:02:48


Lawlz
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>Hurr durr democracy is worse than sharia law
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 14:53:05


Eklipse
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>Hurr durr democracy is worse than sharia law

It is if it's American democracy. OttomanEmpire always has a negative attitude towards the U.S and will bash anything U.S supportive.

Edited 5/16/2015 14:53:42
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 15:54:49


Жұқтыру
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In all seriousness though, Ottoman, you've no place to speak on government lies when you live in Russia.


I'd say Russia is more truthful than America.
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 16:10:08


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Russia more truthful than America? Pfftt

We're talking about the land of political opponents disappearing by "accident",of Presidents who win 140 percent of the vote, the country who denies it's obvious involvement in a neighboring civil war.

Now the U.S government isn't open or transparent by a long shot, but to say Russia is any better is down right crazy.
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 16:30:46


Жұқтыру
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America has political opponents dissapearing "by accident", too, they keep it quieter though, see John Roll, for the most recent political murder. There are three country categories in the world: Ones that have one elite, ones that have multiple elites and ones that don't matter (only third category can be a true republic and care for its folk). And America denies that Abkhazia and South Ossetia exist, and other countries.

Russia and America both are not transparent, but generally, first category countries are more transparent.
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 16:40:52

Andrew
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Xyapy, you're winning a fight that can't be won. Why? Because you're wrong! A wise man once said to me,"Never fight with an idiot, he'll always think he's right. So really Xyapy, I'm sorry for you. To everyone else in warlight: Let Xyapy vent in his room filled with posters of Soviet "might", he can wallow in his ignorance all his life for all I care.
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 16:44:05


Жұқтыру
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So don't bother arguing, just classify me as an idiot?

Honestly, you're getting to be as bad as skourby, except maybe dumber. skourby tries to argue back, actually.
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 17:42:59


Eklipse
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And America denies that Abkhazia and South Ossetia exist, and other countries.

So? Both entities you mentioned are recognized by about four or five countries each. Most of the world denies that these two exist! This random tidbit hardly builds a case against the U.S.
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 19:44:55


Жұқтыру
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But they do exist - though you are right, America is not the only guilty one here. Well, there is no recent equivalent other than this, but it's pretty much the same - America/NATO says that they don't exist when everyone well knows that they do.
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 22:35:36


Eklipse
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Only a handful of countries recognize them, so it's pretty safe to call them illegitimate. Do you believe every group that tries breaking off should be immediately recognized? The world would become balkanized very quick if we start recognizing every break-away state.

Edited 5/16/2015 22:36:02
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 23:28:17


Жұқтыру
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We need to recognise what actually is - rather than what we want it to be. Don't worry, the worry won't become too balkanised.

But the Levant, Anbar, Artsakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Somaliland all exist. Whether you like it or not.

By the way, if we're just going by what everyone considers is "legitimate" - then both Chinas, Mongolia and Armenia are all noncountries.

Edited 5/16/2015 23:28:57
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/16/2015 23:33:13


Eklipse
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PRC and Mongolia both have near universal recognition and UN seats. So try again.

The countries you're vouching for are about as legitimate as the CSA was.

Edited 5/16/2015 23:34:13
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/17/2015 01:29:44


Жұқтыру
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Legitimacy does not matter!
If they exist, they exist!
Too bad for you if you don't want them to exist!
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/17/2015 02:24:38


Major General Smedley Butler
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And Arstotzka!
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/17/2015 04:28:57


bruce200 
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Back to the topic, 9-11, and the War On Terror. Go to Drudge Report on line or Infowars or the Power Hour. there are many people who have researched the facts and ongoing deception. I believe the attack on 9-11 was allowed to happen by elements or the US government and the Banking-Corporate Cartel which controls most of the wealth in the world. The 1% , the richest people in the World are pushing us towards a future where the Corporations control everything. The evidence is overwhelming. Right now the Congress is voting to approve a trade treaty which will give the Corporations Legal standing to have their own court system to oversee trade and copywrite matters. They are voting without seeing the details of the agreement.
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/17/2015 04:34:16


Жұқтыру
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Tsh...infowars...why worry about politics when we'll all be dead by 2018 through the apocolypse? Wake the sheep!
9/11 #War on Terror. opinions: 5/17/2015 05:01:59


Eklipse
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Legitimacy does not matter!
If they exist, they exist!
Too bad for you if you don't want them to exist!


So if I declare independence from the U.S and decide to make my house an independent country I should deserve recognition because, "Hey, it exists!"

Yes I'm aware I'm using an extreme example but merely existing is a stupidly simple criteria for recognizing something as a country.

ISIS exists, Do they deserve formal recognition?
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