I agree with worldtraveller. For two reasons mainly;; someone who's delaying the game is very unlikely to stop simply bc he's asked, and as long as there's a way to win (or you can have an impact on the final result) it's perfectly fine to keep playing (you can always win btw.).

The only case where I'd find it okay to ask someone to surrender is if it's a new player, as some of them do not know of the surrender function.

Yes delaying the game after it's clearly lost is disrespectful, however asking somebody to surrender is too. I'd simply say +1 Chris.

Hennns in my experience, informing my opponent on the location of the surrender button has been effective roughly a third of the time

Etiquette is like computer networking; the most important principle is Postel's Law:

Be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others.

In other words, be as strict as you can in your own behaviour (also known as "lead by example"), but don't take offence when other people "cut a few corners".

In this specific case, I consider it perfectly acceptable (once you're convinced your opponent has enough information to know he has lost), to politely inquiring whether he's aware of the possibility to surrender. If they are and choose not to, nothing can be done about it, keep on playing.
On the other hand, if somebody bluntly states "you should surrender", just reply along the lines of "I don't think this is a done deal, let's play a few more turns" (if that leads to outraged cursing, at least you can rest assured you yourself didn't trigger the "wow, that escalated quickly"-effect :p ).

I don't think it's disrespectful to fight until the end. I love finishing off players that fight to the death! They're freakin' awesome!

ITT: worldtraveler doesn't like being informed that he's lost, so he calls asking for surrender "disrespectful"

I disagree entirely with the premise of this post. Trash talking is the BEST part about warlight and about sports. Seeing as how yall are concerned about peoples feelings I can tell that you didn't play sports ever, and if you did you sucked at them. As someone that played multiple sports in HS and baseball in college I disagree that it is factually true trash talk is against the game. Trash talk is part of the game and what makes it fun. Consider baseball for example, the funnest part of the game is the bat flip after a monster homerun. Celebrate your awesomeness don't be sad about it. Basketball all the players pound their chests and try to pump up the crowd after a big dunk or shot.

The part I hate the most about warlight is how losers will try to complain about people who talk trash or get in their head. Half the battle is mental and if you are mentally weak you should leave warlight. Honestly if you can't handle someone swearing at you or talking trash about how they kicked your ass you should play on this website instead of warlight: https://www.chalkpreschoolonline.com/.

I want to see change in the opposite direction. I want to see players talk more trash during games. I love getting into a good heated argument with another player. I never mean anything I say and I don't think they do either its just a more fun way to play the game for everyone involved. When people report other people for trash talk I get very sad. Its a waste of reporting. Warlight should raise the standards for what requires reporting status. This conversation reminds me why I dislike about half the games I play on warlight. The reason is simple, I come to warlight to play a game and play with strategy. If I wanted to deal with bitches I would play with my dogs, but im not playing with my dogs im playing a board game with adults. People should chill out and embrace trash talking.

Also to all those people who never surrender. Yall are the worst. Get a real life and job.

I totally agree with Kentucky. Warlight should be a space for us to ditch the PAB facade we're forced to wear in order to appease society. It should be a place with no constraints, no notions of proper 'etiquette', and no rules of engagement while we lose ourselves in the glorious battle of pixelated combat. The best part is not only conquering my opponents digitally, but to take it to its logical extent and to verbally obliterate them from the Warlight universe. Winners are winners and should revel in their victories. Losers are losers and should know it.

Let's stop walking the dogs boys... and maybe we can become men.

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I never trash talk, but that's just because I'm too uncreative :P I play 1v1 earth only, and it's extremely easy to tell when you've lost. I just tell them outright to surrender because there's no point in delaying that game. It just becomes a huge drag for me(unless they request it, but that's never happened.).

Kentucky sucks.
...just trash talkin'...

I see both sides. I think there is appropriate "ribbing" and inappropriate. Even in baseball or basketball as Kentucky brought up, if some jerk from the other team is trash talking, it's just because they're a jerk, not because the game is now better because they opened their mouth. Most the time, when two guys start the talk, everyone else just wants them to shut up. It doesn't improve anything.

However, when you know someone, and the talk is in "good humor" well then that's different. That simply raises the competitive atmosphere without the annoyance of someone just running their mouth.

In Warlight, if I'm playing with someone I've played a lot and I reject their sissy attack, I might ask them why they sent in the junior squad, in good humor, if I know we have a connection. If I were to say that to a new guy, I would just be a jerk. There's a difference.

To Kentucky's point, however, there are some people who will never be able to take a ribbing in good humor. I just don't even talk to them. I like the clans... you can kind of hang out with people that you connect with.

Oh...
Also, I retract my comment that Kentucky sucks. I don't know him. That wasn't in good humor. But if I get to know him, and we have a connection, then I'm totally going to come back here later and retract my retraction... yeah.

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There comes a point in the game where it's just ridiculous to continue, but I don't suggest surrender unless my opponent comments that they think it's over for them or something similar. I've only had one person comment gg, implying that I should surrender, so I don't think it's a big issue.

I've also only had one person trash talk me, and he was on my team.

Dan, did you seriously just referencing surrendering in single player... against the AI?

You didn't see an edit: "unless it's clear that the AIs will beat you."

AI can get very offended if you don't surrender when its obvious that they are going to win, far on in the end. It is important to mention single player in this conversation because of it.

AIs don't share their feelings, and probably wouldn't in the future.

Personally, I see no harm in advising to others that the game is over if the game is, in fact, over. They're welcome to disagree and continue, but if I throw a "gg" that is to say the game was good. The game is over. After that point it is no longer a "good game" because it is concluded. An opponents gg does *not* have to be obeyed, but if it is a stupid case of defiance or hoping for boot when all is clearly lost... expect a blacklist. It's obnoxious.

If I have 140 income in RoR, there really isn't a point to dragging it out. I see it as a severe waste of time to not mention that the game is over, and a needless waste of time for the sake of some ludicrous idea of pride is just insipid and masturbatory. If it's a game where you can effect the outcome of other players, sure. Keep on swinging. Screw that guy over in FFA so that the third party can win. That's all part of it. But if it's a game between two sides and one has won, the loser should take a note from Elsa and let it go. Etiquette is in the eye of the beholder and I must say my view on it is opposite to the original post. I see no offense in claiming supremacy when it is had. I do consider it a breach of etiquette to waste someone's time.

If it's obvious you've lost, Surrender.

If people want to surrender, accept it. (People who don't accept surrenders are the worst of all. You wouldn't keep a slave so why keep a slave in Warlight?)

Asking people to surrender when the outcome is obvious is not rude. The person prolonging the game for no good reason would be the rude person in that situation.

It's just rude otherwise. No need to carry things on just because you're a sore loser.

When people throw out a "gg" to me before the game is over it has usually meant they are stupid, thinking they have won they game when it's exactly the opposite. And yeah it is rude.

someone who's delaying the game is very unlikely to stop simply bc he's asked

Nah, it depends on how you ask. Be polite about it and they usually do surrender (talking about people who have not realized they have lost, not stallers)

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Here's the thing traveller... etiquette and respect are purely subjective. Just because you believe something to be disrespectful or poor etiquette it doesn't mean that everyone else must have the same opinion.

What you find to be respectful others may find to be disrespectful, and the difference of opinions here is clear proof of that.

Bottom line, stop trying to enforce your own views upon others. Don't like it when someone demands a surrender? Then blacklist them and move on, simple as that.

agreed.

ITT: worldtraveler doesn't like being informed that he's lost, so he calls asking for surrender "disrespectful"

I call it disrespectful because it's disrespectful. See the number one rule of Warlight.

I disagree entirely with the premise of this post. Trash talking is the BEST part about warlight and about sports.

Maybe if you're about 10 years old. Also, see the number one rule of Warlight.

Asking people to surrender when the outcome is obvious is not rude

It is rude, whatever the game, whatever the circumstances. It also serves no purpose. Either it's not obvious to the person concerned that they can't win, in which case there's no reason for them to surrender, or it is obvious, in which case they clearly already decided not to surrender.

I call it disrespectful because I feel it's disrespectful.

Fixed that for ya.

Hey world traveler why don't you stop being a bitch and leave warlight? Maybe you can actually travel the world instead of bitching all the time. This argument is GG, please surrender.

If you don't like how someone behaves... just blacklist them. There is really nothing more to it. No reason to belabor the point on here.

But keep in mind, there's no better feeling in the world than beating someone who had used "gg" in that manner like 5 turns later. I've only gotten that like 5 times, and I probably won 3 of those games. I don't ever tell suggest anyone quit simply because I've seem some crazy comebacks in this game.

Remember that Billy Walsh guy? I used to love beating that guy.

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