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Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 4/24/2015 17:32:09


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Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 4/24/2015 17:33:08


Frankdeslimste • apex 
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Concept

The Promotion/Relegation League is a seasonal group of round-robin Warlight tournaments, always on the classic “strategic middle earth” map and settings. Players are grouped into small groups (7 on average). At the end of each season, the top players of each group are promoted to the next group above. Bottom players are relegated to the next group below. Middle players remain in the same group.

The league is meant to appeal to players who want to see, over the course of several seasons, where their natural level of competition might take them. For new, skilled participants, this means patience in getting to the levels where they will be challenged. Hopefully, that is part of the fun. The idea is to see how quickly you can progress, how long you can stay high, or how long it takes to stop a skid.

Rules

The league is run with a balance of predictability and flexibility. Final decisions are made by the league administrator with an attempt to consider input of league players.

Currently, the model is to typically have the top two promote and the bottom two relegate but there are exceptions. Where there is default – a player becoming inactive or asking to bow out of the league – there can be more promotions to fill in the vacancy. Where this happens in several groups there can be a lot of shuffling. The principle, though, is to usually have at least one player from each group relegated. Several retirements mean fewer relegations and more super-promotions to keep the groups filled.

Any player inactive in the last three games of any tournament is deemed to be out of the league and can only return as a new player in an expansion or bottom group.

Placements in a round-robin are determined by number of wins. In the event of a tie, placements are determined by head-to-head results among the tied. Occasionally, there are loops of ties that cannot be resolved by the head-to-head rule. A tie-breaking tournament then takes place unless all the players involved agree to otherwise settle the tie. Where a tie-breaking tournament would delay the league too much, average turn-speed is rewarded to resolve such ties.

Anyone can join the league, members and non-members alike, simply by request in the most recent “Promotion/Relegation League” forum thread. New players begin in the bottom group or in an expansion group. Promotions from expansion groups depend on numbers within the new groups.

Before the beginning of each season, a summary of the movements will be announced to allow for questions or corrections. The league works most smoothly if those who wish to bow out of it let the administrator know before the new season begins instead of simply declining to play after the groups have been determined and tournaments begun.

The history of the last season can be reviewed from links in the season 15 thread:

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/69519-promotionrelegation-league-season-15
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 4/24/2015 17:34:22


Frankdeslimste • apex 
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Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 4/24/2015 17:34:43


Jefferspin 
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wooooo
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 4/24/2015 17:44:43


ChrisCMU 
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Congrats Tenshi!
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 5/7/2015 08:31:35


Pushover 
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*keeps thread alive*

My group still waiting for one guy to join...
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 5/7/2015 20:10:32


Benjamin628 
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May I join?
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 5/7/2015 20:41:22


Nex
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Letting him join would be a great idea, Frank! He can replace that random Mussolini fellow who is holding up H3
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 5/19/2015 13:59:02


ChrisCMU 
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can we get rid of the %16 luck next time? I just missed breaking a bonus on a 5v3 fail. Sucks
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 5/19/2015 15:53:46


knyte 
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I'm also interested in joining (next season). Are the H groups all equal or did you just change the labeling system to say "Alright guys, I think we've hit rock bottom here"?

Edited 5/19/2015 15:55:22
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 5/19/2015 17:29:03


ChrisCMU 
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I think I'll drop out again if we can't get %0 SR. Getting some terrible luck on these today and if it is just ladder settings it doesn't really add anything.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 5/19/2015 18:34:14


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Although I don't really have anything against 0% SR, I'm a big fan of WR(0%). There is a lot of additional strategy which comes into it in my opinion. Risk vs Reward is an integral part of how Warlight should be played.

SR on this map feels like just going through the motions :|

With this being said, I do understand your frustration. But I feel it will balance itself out. Besides, these seasons have a really short completion time, so an important game being lost on luck is not that big of a deal for me, as I can always come back next season!
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 5/19/2015 18:53:42


ChrisCMU 
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I suppose. I get why it is ladder settings (well, right now it is not), but that also means it loses some appeal IMO. You end up playing the same people pretty often, so that is a negative compared to the ladder. I'd rather see it still Strat ME, but a variant you can't just play on the ladder already. So like SR, or MME or cyclical order...something so it isn't just playing 3 or 4 of the same people over and over on settings you can already get on normal ladder, auto games, etc.

Edited 5/19/2015 18:54:52
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 5/19/2015 22:51:01


almosttricky 
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My question is about the 4 H groups in this. Do you have to go through them all, or can you get promoted from any of the H groups to G?
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 5/20/2015 00:07:03


Benjamin628 
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When does the next season start? I'll be interested in playing then since school is almost over.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 5/20/2015 16:58:40


knyte 
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SNinja, it looks like all the H groups are beginner groups, although that's probably not easy to tell by looking at H1. It's my understanding that you can start in any one of them and go on to G if you're good enough.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/6/2015 20:26:52


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I think it's tiiiiiime for an update!! Well past time actually. Thanks to Fizzer for his tournament changes making this way easier to update!

GROUP A
grona • apex (3-1)
Krzychu (2-1)
FlyingBender (2-2)
timon92 (1-1)
Master Miyagi • apex (1-1)
Tenshi (1-2)
Orange (0-2)

Still too early to tell how this group will go, but already we're seeing some interesting results. Grona has the early lead. FlyingBender proving that he can compete in group A after recently being promoted. Meanwhile the winner of last season (Tenshi) is having a rough start: his only win comes against a winless Orange.

GROUP B
Jefferspin (2-0)
his balls. (2-1)
[WM] Old Surehand (1-1)
Ineffable (1-1)
Mirror (1-1)
Niko (0-1) - Leaving the league after this season
Frankdeslimste • apex (0-2)

Pretty early for this group also... of *course* Frank's group would be the slowest! Speaking of Frank, he'll need some wins to prevent a second straight demotion. The biggest surprise? his balls hasn't booted yet!

GROUP C
Bigchps147 (4-2)
Falker (3-1)
Beren Erchamion (2-1)
Metatron (2-1)
Andersault (2-3)
Pushover (1-3)
JV (0-3)

Pushover sucks -_- I'll probably need to win both my final games against JV and Beren Erchamion to avoid relegation. Definitely a divide between the bottom three and the top 4. Metatron is once again in position to win the group, so long as he doesn't mess it up. He has tiebreaker on both Falker and Bigchps, the other front runners. Beren is also in the mix but his wins come against 2 of the bottom 3 players.

GROUP D
Timinator (4-1, 1-0) - WINNER
Master Turtle (4-1, 0-1)
rocky1 (2-2)
Maréchal Lannes, duc de Montebello (2-3)
Master Bjarke (1-3)
Darkpie (0-3)

The top two spots of this group have been decided. Congrats to Timinator for winning the group after a shocking relegation from an extremely competitive group C last season. Master Turtle also had a strong season to snag the other promotion spot. Darkpie, though not as slow as Frank, is the player holding up the group. He has actually booted from his last two games, and will likely need to win both his remaining games to avoid relegation.

GROUP E
Master Atom ◆Elite◆ (5-0) - WINNER
smileyleg {TJC} (4-1)
Wenyun (2-2)
ferede (1-2)
[NL] ARand0mPlayer (1-3)
{rp} GeneralGror (0-5) - Inactive, will be removed

Congrats to Atom for winning group E with an undefeated record! He could end up promoted to C due to dropouts. ferede is the slow player of this group, with remaining games against ARand0mPlayer and Wenyun.

GROUP F
Master of the Dead (5-0) - WINNER
ps (4-1)
Polakillo (3-2)
ChrisCMU (1-3)
BlacKnight (1-4)
[REGL] bobbob000 (0-4)

Congrats to MoTD for winning group F, again with an undefeated record! The remaining game of the group is ChrisCMU vs bobbob000, and Chris will need to win this game to avoid a three way tie for last place. But chances are that bob ends up in last.

GROUP G
Verzehrer (3-1)
Ollie (3-1)
Dr. Walter Ego (2-1)
NoobSchool (AHoL) • apex (1-2)
ChristophU (1-2)
Don [ Ω ] (1-4)

Thanks to an influx of new players, group G is unusually competitive - some familiar names might have trouble promoting! A 3-2 tiebreak clusterfuck atop the group is not yet out of the question.

GROUP H1
<SNinja> almosttricky (5-0)
master of desaster (4-0)
Peixoto (3-2)
Roooob (2-2)
"DJidAnE" (1-4)
butterfly94 (1-5)
sobedai (0-3)

Wow, why did so many good players decide to join all at once? To torment Frank when deciding the groups for next season, obviously. It looks like the winner of almosttricky and MoD will win the group! A note, given *four* bottom groups, the difference between first and second place could be significant in terms of promotions, so every game counts for the new players! (That said, given the composition of other groups, it would be robbery if the top two players of this competitive, 7 player group don't get the same benefit as the winners of the other small groups)

GROUP H2 - COMPLETE
Auroch (4-0) - WINNER
Taishō (3-1)
Poseidó̱nas (2-2)
MightySpeck (1-3)
Thomas 633 (0-4) - Inactive, will be removed from the league

Why are some players joining but not others? Why are the new groups uneven? Obviously to torment Frank! This group is a lot weaker than H1, but look at this, Auroch (who I've never even heard of, 1v1 win rate of just 46%) upsets Taisho to win the group!

GROUP H3 - COMPLETE
♦ WzU ♦ Forbidden Knowledge (4-0) - WINNER
linberson (3-1)
J0twe (2-2)
indibob (1-3)
DrKrieger (0-4)

Another somewhat dull group, congrats to Forbidden Knowledge for winning it.

GROUP H4 - COMPLETE
Oh Noes (5-0) - WINNER
ALE (4-1)
Stormers (3-2)
Great Expanse (2-3)
The Glorious Koala (1-4)
[Falcon] Colonel Harthacanute (0-5)

It's actually pretty remarkable how utterly dull H2-H4 have been this season, actually. No tiebreakers, just 0, 1, 2, ... n losses for each player. Yawn. Grats to Oh Noes for performing as expected :P
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/6/2015 20:56:42


Nex
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Another somewhat dull group, congrats to Forbidden Knowledge for winning it.


I always make dull wins ;)
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/6/2015 21:01:36

[PHD] JiaLak
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I'm in
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/6/2015 21:32:36


Jefferspin 
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I love your updates.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/7/2015 03:43:16


Master Turtle 
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I can never seem to beat Timi.....

Congratz to all group winners.... Finish strong to all yall who are still going!

Thanks Pushover for the update! I'll be rooting for ya.
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/7/2015 04:31:08


♈§IRIÜS♈ 
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wow, push :P that analysis though ;D good job
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/18/2015 12:55:30

Ollie 
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if i beat Noobschool in the final game of group G (which looks like will happen) we will finish this group with a double unbreakable 3way tie. Both promotion and relegation will have unbreakable ties.

Did this ever happen before???
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/18/2015 13:13:26


ps 
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thanks for the update pushover, hadn't even realized the season had ended!
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/18/2015 18:00:00

+SAM+ 
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Can you sign me up for the next season? I love the idea of this eague. When will the next season start?
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/18/2015 19:10:33


Jefferspin 
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Ollie this happened last season in my group. Falker, Niko, and I had tied. Actually just for the top spot, I dont think we had a tie for relegation too. He will do the positions based on who you beat.

Edited 6/18/2015 19:10:46
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/18/2015 20:07:46

Ollie 
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@sam next season will start when this season finishes. between 1 and 2 months from now i guess.

yeah jeff that was what i was wondering. if ever a group had a double tie for promotions and relegations
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/20/2015 08:31:01


Pushover 
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Time for another update

GROUP A
Krzychu (4-2)
grona • apex (3-1)
timon92 (3-1)
FlyingBender (3-3)
Master Miyagi • apex (1-2)
Tenshi (1-3)
Orange (1-4)

Krzychu finishes with a strong 4-2 record, but it won't be enough, as he loses tiebreakers to both grona and timon92. Meanwhile grona and timon92 are currently playing each other, and the winner will likely decide the winner of season 16! Technically Miyagi also has a shot, but he will need to win all his final games and hope he doesn't end up in a tiebreaker with timon92. Last season's winner Tenshi continues to struggle against relegation.

GROUP B
Jefferspin (5-0) - WINNER
Ineffable (4-2)
Mirror (2-2)
his balls. (2-3)
Niko (2-3) - Leaving the league after this season
Frankdeslimste • apex (0-2)
[WM] Old Surehand (1-4)

Jefferspin continues his quick ascent of the ladder and clinches a group B win with a game to spare! Will be interesting to see if he can shake up group A next season. Ineffable sits in the other promotion spot, but could see it taken away by Mirror if Mirror wins his final two games against Frank and Jefferspin - quite the tall order. Old Surehand will need a lot of help to avoid relegation. Frank continues to stall :P

GROUP C
Falker (4-2)
Bigchps147 (4-2)
Metatron (3-1)
Andersault (2-3)
Pushover (2-3)
Beren Erchamion (2-4)
JV (1-3)

Metatron has beaten both Falker and Bigchps147, and so he needs only 1 win out of 2 final games to clinch first place and a promotion to group B he's been working on for damn near forever. Meanwhile the relegation battle is fierce and could come down to tiebreakers. Somehow I'm still alive! If I beat JV I am guaranteed to avoid relegation.

GROUP D
Timinator (4-1, 1-0) - WINNER
Master Turtle (4-1, 0-1)
rocky1 (2-2)
Master Bjarke (2-3)
Maréchal Lannes, duc de Montebello (2-3)
Darkpie (0-4)

Darkpie has avoided going inactive, but his loss to Bjarke dooms him to a guaranteed relegation. Due to head to head tiebreakers, the final game between rocky1 and Darkpie won't affect the standings.

GROUP E - FINISHED
Master Atom ◆Elite◆ (5-0) - WINNER
smileyleg {TJC} (4-1)
ferede (3-2)
Wenyun (2-3)
[NL] ARand0mPlayer (1-4)
{rp} GeneralGror (0-5) - Inactive, will be removed

ferede wins his final 2 games to finish 3rd in the group. Good finish from him.

GROUP F - FINISHED
Master of the Dead (5-0) - WINNER
ps (4-1)
Polakillo (3-2)
ChrisCMU (2-3)
BlacKnight (1-4)
[REGL] bobbob000 (0-5)

Chris wins against bob and all ends as expected.

GROUP G
Dr. Walter Ego (4-1)
Verzehrer (4-1)
Ollie (3-1)
NoobSchool (AHoL) • apex (1-3)
Don [ Ω ] (1-4)
ChristophU (1-4)

As Ollie mentioned, if he beats noobschool then there will indeed be a three way unbreakable tie for first as well as a 3 way unbreakable tie for 4th! An unusually competetive lower group due to an influx of new players last season.

GROUP H1
<SNinja> almosttricky (6-0)- WINNER
master of desaster (4-2)
Peixoto (4-2)
Roooob (3-3)
"DJidAnE" (1-4)
butterfly94 (1-5)
sobedai (1-4)

Congrats to almosttricky for going undefeated in a stupidly competitive noob group! master of desaster had two disastrous boots at the end of his season which places him in second place due to tiebreaker. Djidane and sobedai play the final game of the group, each trying to avoid the cellar.

GROUP H2 - COMPLETE
Auroch (4-0) - WINNER
Taishō (3-1)
Poseidó̱nas (2-2)
MightySpeck (1-3)
Thomas 633 (0-4) - Inactive, will be removed from the league

GROUP H3 - COMPLETE
♦ WzU ♦ Forbidden Knowledge (4-0) - WINNER
linberson (3-1)
J0twe (2-2)
indibob (1-3)
DrKrieger (0-4)

GROUP H4 - COMPLETE
Oh Noes (5-0) - WINNER
ALE (4-1)
Stormers (3-2)
Great Expanse (2-3)
The Glorious Koala (1-4)
[Falcon] Colonel Harthacanute (0-5)

Edited 6/20/2015 08:32:30
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/20/2015 12:38:41


Benjamin628 
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Can I take Thomas 633's spot? Also Poseidonas "Retired" so he can't play next season

Edited 6/20/2015 12:41:45
Promotion/Relegation League Season 16: 6/20/2015 18:18:05

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This looks really cool. I'd also like to join, please. :)
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