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WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 01:18:52


Kenny • apex 
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For those interested, please read the entire post, maybe not in one go. There will not be a tl;dr version.

There will be 4 stages to this World Championship playing this template https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer?TemplateID=602772 (4x4 3v3 Europe no luck) and they will be as such:

1st Stage: Regional Double Elimination Tournaments

Those who apply will be thrown into a multiday Regional DE Tournament of either North/Latin America and East Asia or Europe and West Asia. Anyone who does not fit these regional descriptions will be put into the Europe region. All members of your team must fit the regional description. Boot time will be 1 day 4 hours with vacations not honored. This will start on the 11th of May.

2nd Stage: 2-game Round Robin Tournaments

The top 8 or 10 of the 1st Stage (depending on the amount of teams that apply) will be thrown into a 2-game Round Robin. These are the rules for the 2nd Stage:

1. 2 real-time games (5 minute + 10 minute banked boot times) will be played per week. Game 1 will be played on Tuesday @ 17:00 GMT-8 for North America region and 17:00 GMT for Europe region. Game 2 will be played on Thursday at the same times. Broadcasts will be on Wednesday and Friday @ 12:00 GMT - 6.

2. Each team will play each other twice.

3. Ties will be resolved by head to head matchup first, best of 3 will be scheduled if still unresolved.

4. Each team will have a team captain who will be available for interviews through Skype (at least try to be), and be responsible for communicating to the series host(s) about their roster in a given week.

5. Teams will have a roster of at least 3 people and at maximum 6 people. Anyone aside from the first 3 listed will be considered an alternate.

6. Alternates never have to play a game. They are there just in case a player cannot play their games due to prior arrangements.

7. Rosters for a given week are due on Saturday prior to that week.

8. The bottom 2 performing teams will be forced to repeat the 1st stage, while ranks 3-6 or 3-8 (depends on how many apply/are in the 2nd stage) will be re-invited to the 2nd stage for the next world championship.

3rd Stage: Regional Playoffs

Playoffs for both regions will be decided by the amount of teams during the 2nd stage. Either way there will be a best of 3 playoff series with the seeds based on the team's rank during the 2nd stage. Winner of this playoff series will make it to the 4th stage

4th Stage: World Championship

The regional playoff winners will play each other in a best of 5. Right now our prize will be limited, but if people agree we could require coins in order to compete in the 2nd stage. The prize without anyone putting their coins on the line:

1st place: 3,000 coins (breakup could be 750 for each of the main 3 and 250 for the alternate players)

2nd place: 1,500 coins (breakup could be 375 for each of the main 3 and 125 for the alternate players)

These coins will be paid out by Fizzer and Mercer who will be helping run the series.


To apply send a message to https://www.warlight.net/Profile?p=1515014755 with the following information:

1. Your team players with profile links.

2. Your region.

3. Your team captain.

4. Your team name.

5. Would your team be willing to wager coins in the 2nd stage? (We would not ask for anything above 500 coins.)


Scheduling for the 2nd stage will be announced after we have enough applicants for the 1st stage. The alternate 3 players allowed in the 2nd stage and beyond can be found after the 1st stage is completed. Team captains will be messaged once their team qualifies asking who their alternates can be.

Now for some general rules:

1. Alt accounts are not allowed. Everyone must be a different person on the team. If siblings are playing on the same team, evidence will have to be sent. (Skype video call showing each person)

2. Cussing in public chat isn't allowed because even games in the 1st stage may be streamed.

3. People with inappropriate names are not allowed.

4. Team names can't be inappropriate either. Also it's first come first serve on names through the application process.

5. Coaches are allowed, but must be listed as an alternate for 2nd+ stages. As to what your coach does, that's up to your discretion.



If you want to help WGL out in the management of this series in any way contact me directly through mail. If you have any questions pertaining to the rules/structure of this series, do so in this thread and I will answer as soon as possible.

Thank you for your time,

WGL Staff

Edited 5/5/2015 16:57:43
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 01:41:45


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Why must the games in Round 2 be real time? That will be insanely hard to schedule! Lets say I teamed up with my friends in Washington thats 4 hours behind me. 1st we need to find a time for us, THEN a time that meets our Asian or European friends? Thats tough work....

I know it can happen cause I've had games with players of these regions on for 3v3 EU rt but to make it "mandatory" so to speak doesnt seem right.



I'll be sending in a team shortly since I think I will be available ;)



Edit: Can a coach be outside of my geographical region? Also, is a coach for my team allowed to play for another?

Edited 4/23/2015 01:42:31
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 01:53:21


Kenny • apex 
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1. 2nd stage and 3rd stage is still in regions so yeah the hours could be pretty weird if you're in New York and have an Aussie on your team, but this is also why you're allowed alternates. I checked timezonewise and it's actually harder to schedule the Eastern Asians with the Europeans than it is to schedule them with the North Americans. It's weird but basically Oceania's day is America's night which is easier to work with.

2. No, as a coach takes up an alternate spot he's technically on your team. Infact I rescind the rule stating the coach can't play. I just want people to understand that having someone setting up scrims for you and helping teach you is allowed.
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 02:13:44

Hennns
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These coins will be paid out by Fizzer and Mercer who will be helping run the series.
Wait, Fizzer/Mercer is sponsoring WGL, that's awesome :D


How do you determine the region to a player? There's many people from europe/asia who lives in US, where would they belong, or can they choose?

Who is the WGL staff? I know some of you guys, but all of you deserve credit :p
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 02:17:41


IMpLeXiTy
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I do agree that those real-time games could be pretty difficult. I would much rather prefer a multi-day game.
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 02:21:00


Kenny • apex 
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1. They're sponsoring this series. It's awesome :)

2. Region is simply determined by where you are when you sign up. It should show up on your profile. Turn off any proxies you have on and make sure the right country is showing on your profile. Trying to trick us will result in questioning and potential disqualification. Don't try it :P.

3. Latnox, Pushover, TheWarlightMaster, Frankdeslimste, and ps. There's many more in the WGL chat, but those are the most active atm. If I'm forgetting anyone please post.

Edit for Implexity:

1. 2nd stage will last 9 weeks doing it RT twice per week if there's 10 teams. Doing it MD is just simply not an option. I could make it MD with the promise of the game being finished before broadcast but that's all thin ice. For the sake of the event, we must schedule this RT. This is why alternates are allowed in 2nd stage and on.

Edited 4/23/2015 02:37:42
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 02:24:49


IMpLeXiTy
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OK no problem. Thank you. I understand. Doing a Multi-Day game on stream could certainly be difficult.

Edited 4/23/2015 02:25:29
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 05:13:45


ChrisCMU 
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I am confused with your example of a New York person and Aussie. Dont the teams have to be regional (everyone from same region)?

RT within region is fine but outside region would be issue. Practically impossible to play with people 8 hours apart. Looks like you are not planning on cross tegional RT though

Edited 4/23/2015 05:17:47
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 05:25:22


Kenny • apex 
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@ChrisCMU:

Oceania is with NA region instead of Europe. I'm just pointing out while it may seem awkward to be putting Australians in the same region as New Yorkers, the timezones work out better than putting them with the Europeans. If this gets incredibly popular then I'd be willing to split the regionals further.
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 05:38:59


ChrisCMU 
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Sounds good. I will be doing a team for sure. I will send roster when finalized
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 06:10:05


Master Ryiro 
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i'm up for the tournament :)
but i'm from India which is in south centre of Asia,not sure if you have it in east or west asia.So which region do i lie in?Europe?
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 08:40:50


ā™ˆ§IRIÜSā™ˆ 
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sigh.....this is the moment when Asians get disadvantage ;(
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 10:07:26


ps 
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don't like the regional limitations.
good luck with the championship.
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 12:44:27

Quicksand 
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Lithuanians team maybe?
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 12:47:02


Mablung
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Are there really that many East Asian players?

I can be an alternate player if somebody wants me. I teach at an English academy so my hours are really strange (sure East Asians can relate to this), so idk useful I'd be with scheduled real time games.
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 14:24:43


ChrisCMU 
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Yeah europe region will be stacked. Lots of good players there.
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 14:51:38

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I think that tha option of using coins in the second stage should be decided before this starts. For example, I could be interested but I don't have coins :P
The skype interviews can be a problem for non english speakers :/ And the timezone can be a problem for it too.
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 15:17:51


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Can people who live in latin america team up with someone in north america ?
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 15:21:31


ChrisCMU 
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^Yes that is same region
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 15:24:08


Ragnarok
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OK, thanks.
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 15:55:54


Kenny • apex 
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@Ryiro: Good question. India is in the European region, countries east of India are not.

@Sirius: Yeah, I really would love for there to be enough people to split Asia into its own region, but I'm afraid there isn't. If the turnout is bigger than anticipated, I can make the split this season.

@ps: grumpy von grumpykins.

@Mablung: Idk. Off the top of my head, Pulsey and Qi.

@Memele: We're most likely not using coins in the second stage for this season. The question is to see how that would go over. As for the skype interviews, they're not 100% mandatory but there should be someone on the team able to do them. :P
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 16:27:03


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I may do this. If someone if interested in a substitute then just let me know.
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 16:32:56


Mablung
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@Lolo: Wouldn't hold my breath on a Pulsey/Qi/Mablung team.
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 16:36:46


Beren • apex 
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I assume Australia/NZ count as East Asia, so you may get people like nich and Summer.
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/23/2015 16:40:35


Kenny • apex 
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Correct, Oceania is also counted in the NA Region with East Asia :)
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/24/2015 01:08:49


Ace Windu 
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I'd like to play, pm me if you're organising a team.
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/24/2015 05:50:22


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""" These are the rules for the 2nd Stage:

1. 2 real-time games will be played per week. Game 1 will be played before Wednesday. Game 2 will be played before Friday. Broadcasts will be on Wednesday and Friday, times to be decided."""



By when will you decide the time for this real-time game? I'm on the west coast and whatever time you decide will almost certainly fall during my work hours. Is there any way you could consider this real-time game to be played after 5 PM PST?
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/24/2015 07:32:16


à la recherche du temps perdu 
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First, I am behind the idea of a Europe 3vs3 Championship (ladder too (sigh). But it seems you like to complicate things:

  • Multi-Day vs Real-time: 1st (good) reason to decline imo.

  • I second ps: Regional limitation sucks. a lot. If I want to play with Mablung. I can't. no way.

  • Will you organize one Championship every 4 years like football or Olympic games?
    Make those double elimination tourneys, single ones, in 1st Phase i.e


This formula is too restrictive if you want the good 3vs3 Europe players to join.

Edited 4/24/2015 10:13:40
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/24/2015 15:56:03


Kenny • apex 
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@Master of the Dead: in 4-5 days, when I have enough interested applicants.

@Anticon:

The Clan League consists of 11 tournaments that have 6 games each and 7 participants. The settings are multiday. Clan League A takes almost 1 year to complete. Okay now let's imagine we do this event all 3-day multiday with vacations honored. In Clan League, all of the tournaments are made at the same time. In this event, we have to first wait for the 1st tournament to be halfway done to proceed. Then we have to do a double RR. Okay. In Clan League, you play 6 Europe 3v3 games. This is what takes almost a year in group A. In my event you play 14-18 Europe 3v3 games in the 2nd stage. That's double the time. I could go on but I hope you see the point.

Regional limitations are a part of almost every World Championship Series in existence. Every e-sport that hosts a World Championship Series separates by region. The Olympics separate by region. The World Cup separates by region. The reason we separate by region for this event is two-fold. 1. It's more interesting and competitive. 2. It's far easier to schedule RT games by region.

I would love to host this event every year.
WGL hosts the WL Europe 3v3 World Championship: 4/24/2015 17:50:15


ChrisCMU 
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I get the reasons for RT, and playing RT is fun anyway. I'm just curious on the process for deciding times. As a full time worker with a wife and two kids, the time I can play a RT game is somewhat limited.

How long does a RT game of 3v3 europe take (when fairly evenly matched)? I suggest 3 min boot, with a bank to help us decide picks. That might take an hour or so to play?
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