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On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 17:46:52

FightBlitzer
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The 1v1 clans are the true clans dominating Warlight. They do the most for the community (ex. MASTER creating custom ladders and javascript functions to improve Warlight; WG running clan league; Apex running promotion/relegation league). In social rank as well as skill rank, these clans are the true powers in this community.


However, some clans do not seem to catch onto this. This is why some clans think they can claim superiority by sheer numbers (MSF, Darklords, Lost Wolves etc) or by spamming the forums with crap (MSF, Falcons, Lost Wolves, Darklords and others).

Fixing this should be relatively simple: place more emphasis on 1v1 dominance over raw numbers. Make it extremely obvious from the start of a player's career in Warlight, that 1v1 is important. Discuss below.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 17:57:34


szeweningen 
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Team games skill > 1v1 skill
In general, team games skill is closer to overall skill. 1v1 has the distinct advantage of giving more motivation to improve and it's often more clear how to improve based on losses and analysis instead of blaming teammates.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 18:13:02


Kenny • apex 
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1v1, 2v2, 3v3 are all important, and we focus on all 3 in Apex. I know WG, GG, WM do as well.

The more you focus on playing the competitive templates, the more overall fun you're going to have with the game. The reason is that we make all sorts of events and such for competitive play.

If you want to build a successful clan, just play in the events we make. Get involved. Grab people and get them involved. If they're just interested in a social aspect, there's sites that are much better for that, Warlight is and forever will be a competitive strategy game.

Even {rp} plays competitively alongside their non-competitive templates and shenanigans. If competitive strategy games aren't your thing, then you're not really ever going to get involved in the main community.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 18:34:32


ChrisCMU 
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Yeah, none of the elite clans focus on 1v1 skill I don't think. Some like me focus team games much more than 1v1.

Lolo is right. The focus should be playing competitive templates (ones used in the clan leagues and other places). That is if you care about getting better. Don't be afraid to ask someone that wrecks you how they did it. It is a good way to improve.

But I do find the overall message from the author interesting. Volume on the forums does not make a clan superior. It just makes them loud. It is the quality of their posts that matter.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 18:34:33


BONE
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i only care about getting laid. warlight is for in between boning sessions. are you good at 1v1? cool. i'm good at getting laid.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 18:39:21


QueefBalls
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I play this game for fun and I find it more fun to play with my teammates than by myself. So I'm not that interested in 1v1 or ffa games.

That's part of why we started the poon squad, to create a place where interested players could find others who are down for more team games.

That's just my opinion though.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 18:40:25

DanWL 
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Off topic: BONE, are you an alt of Bane? It's something to do with your picture and that you are in the same clan as him.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 19:07:59


BONE
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i thought i was your alt?
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 19:59:14


King C******* V 
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I like how we are put into the having a lot of numbers category.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 20:20:23


Darth Darth Binks
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Hey, we were mentioned twice in the same sentence. I'm okay with that.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 20:57:37

FightBlitzer
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There is some truth to your thoughts on 2v2 and 3v3. I did not mention them for the sake of clarity: my point is that the clans who focus on competitive skill more than sheer numbers, or petty rivalries, are the ones that pull ahead. My second point is that a lot of clans haven't realized it, and thus it falls on the shoulders of the competitive clans to enlighten them.

I wouldn't have mentioned it at all, but recently I asked a Lost Wolf who he thought the best 1v1 player in Warlight is and he mentioned some random guy in the Coalition of Role-Playing Friends. If clans like [20] and Apex are completely unheard of to these people, then something needs to be fixed.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 21:35:13


ChrisCMU 
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I think it is true that people don't really have any concept of who is good. If they don't, they should at least assume the 1v1 Ladder #1 is the best 1v1 player in warlight. That is not a perfect assumption of course, but would be a logical assumption by a random player here. I mean unless they pay attention to the [20] league, they won't see all those top players against each other as many won't be playing the ladder at a given time.

It baffles me that they would not check the ladders though. If a random person is asked what the best clan is, and they know nothing about the clan league, you'd think they would go to the dashboard, check each of the 4 ladders for clan members there, and make a determination that way...right or wrong as it may be given many players are not on ladder(s). Instead, they use the clan list as some sort of measuring stick. Why not at least use the ladders as a measure of skill (if you are not familiar with other measuring sticks)?
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 21:45:42

FightBlitzer
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Yes. You see the problem. And I think it's a fairly serious one. Consider: new players, when looking at clans for the first time... what are they most likely to see? If they check the forums, they see [random examples] Falcons, MSF. If they check the clan page, and assume that the top listed clans are the best, then they see. . . . . Darklords. If they play with random people, chances are they'd run into people from those clans too, simply because of sheer numbers and the fact that a newcomer is less likely to encounter a person from [20] than a person from Darklords.

That's not a good thing. Our role models are less visible than the morons. And it's partly our fault. I'm using this thread to raise awareness.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/8/2015 21:47:16


Kenny • apex 
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When I was a noob I remember seeing people like Szeweningen, Dunga, Huruey, Widzisz, Luxis, Impaller, Heyheuhei, Gui, Rubik, and the list can go on.

Those people were in some impossible to reach place. I remember watching their games and be like: holy shit these guys are amazing. I knew of them because I could see the ladder, I read their posts in the ladder forum when they would talk about games and such. Of course, Huruey, Wid, and Heyheuhei were pretty silent but they were always consistently good.

Honestly, if you want to just improve your game, if you want to play in the top 30 on the ladder, simply watch the games of the current 'impossible to reach' people. Go sit back and watch a few MoD games, he's really good at 1v1. Go watch Szeweningen and Psy play EU 3v3. Go watch Timinator play anything. He somehow guesses people incredibly well. Find idols, watch their games, maybe even talk to them. I assure you that all the people at the top of competitive play are really cool people. Except for Frankdeslimste.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 04:03:27


Bane 
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Our role models are less visible than the morons

then be more visible :/
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 04:05:26


Bane 
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On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 07:12:09


[WL] Colonel Harthacanute
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I tried to get my clan into 1v1, set up a few tourneys etc. Nobody isn't interested. It seems like we're an FFA clan...!
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 11:46:10


Thomas 633
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note how this became a session for the elite clans to brag
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 12:40:07


Legacy 
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They aren't bragging.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 12:59:19

Pulsey
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In the days of JSA and Aranka clan statuses and the so called 'warlight hierarchy' used to be a bigger deal. This is ironic given that the community has grown since then. There was definitely a certain prestige to be part of clans such as WM, apex and #Elite!. It was amusing and entertaining, i'll admit. Heck, I used to be pretty hardcore back then too.

The so called 'trolls and giggles' back then were of higher calibre too, Billy Walsch, YAATs, Qi's alts, me and jsa, piggy, x, aranka, announcer, the great pulsius, Richard Sharpe picking on Arun, and even Anonymous. Those were probably the Golden Age of WL forums.

There was a bit of forum inactivity a while ago after most of us left, and now while there has been a resurgence in forum activity, its easy to say that quality of forum posts is reaching new lows all the time. A quick glance down the forum page reveals lots of uninteresting topics dominated by the same few people.

Just my opinion.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 12:59:56


Thomas 633
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If you want to build a successful clan, just play in the events we make.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 13:00:40


Thomas 633
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that;s an example
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 14:04:54


Fateless
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That's not bragging, dude. It's the simple truth. If you want a strong clan, get them involved in the community. Events hosted by Apex, MASTERS, WG, [20] etc are all good places to start.




I tried to get my clan into 1v1, set up a few tourneys etc. Nobody isn't [sic] interested. It seems like we're an FFA clan...!


It takes a lot to motivate people to change. Encourage strat 1v1. Teach it. Study it. Encourage using the ladders. Pull together people who are interested in competition, and work together. Also, you guys should probably boot at least 60 or 70 people from your clan. 90 players is too large to restructure a clan for 1v1 competition. It's not impossible to have a competitive clan of that size, but you need to build the framework for it first, set up the correct leadership model and only then start adding numbers.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 17:28:28


Scotty 
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Level 5 guy suggesting fundamental change...

...resisting sarcastic comment...

resistance weakening...

weakening...
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 17:30:48


Nex
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It's obviously an alt. Someone didn't want to have their main account tied to this thread. . .
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 18:37:36


Poseidó̀±nas
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That could be called 1 of 2 things.

1. Cowardice.
2. Intelligence.
Who's to say it isn't both? :)
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 18:43:45


Bane 
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On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 20:41:23


Quetz
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1v1 is perhaps more 'pro' but i think 2v2's and 3v3's have more value, includes more cooperation and wider strategic thinking.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 22:27:31


Kenny • apex 
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@Thomas: If I wanted to brag, I certainly could in respect to you. The fact is competitive clans have been making competitive events. If you want to become a competitive clan and become part of that community, you can by simply participating. I love it when clans like Blitz form and come into clan league, and then are on their way to being promoted to league A. I'm not saying that the originally blitz guys were bad at the game, but they definitely weren't thought of as a top competitive clan, now they've gotten themselves involved in WSOW, Clan League, and they've grown. It makes me feel pride because that's how I felt when I started. I was playing a 2v2 Round Robin with JSA and we won the tournament, nobody good was in that 2v2 RR, but it felt awesome so I joined [P] only to be slapped in the face with reality that I wasn't good. So I kept playing, I kept watching, I kept getting involved.

Get involved and you'll find it really fun. Don't and you'll just hate what you don't understand.
On the subject of skill and social hierarchy: 4/9/2015 23:58:16


Tyrion Lannister
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true. its sad.

the amount of interesting forum posts is 0.

And the decent clans that focus on rp and social aspects, like W.U., are also quite unknown.

while many clans (like MSG) just span to gain more players.

But I disagree about your opinion that your the hierarchy.

You think your better, cause you better at risk.

Yet no one knows you.

Probably one of the best known players is semicedevine, who is recoqnized for his scenarios.

The real "hierarchy", I believe, is the players who create the most popular games.
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