The 1v1 clans are the true clans dominating Warlight. They do the most for the community (ex. MASTER creating custom ladders and javascript functions to improve Warlight; WG running clan league; Apex running promotion/relegation league). In social rank as well as skill rank, these clans are the true powers in this community.


However, some clans do not seem to catch onto this. This is why some clans think they can claim superiority by sheer numbers (MSF, Darklords, Lost Wolves etc) or by spamming the forums with crap (MSF, Falcons, Lost Wolves, Darklords and others).

Fixing this should be relatively simple: place more emphasis on 1v1 dominance over raw numbers. Make it extremely obvious from the start of a player's career in Warlight, that 1v1 is important. Discuss below.

Team games skill > 1v1 skill
In general, team games skill is closer to overall skill. 1v1 has the distinct advantage of giving more motivation to improve and it's often more clear how to improve based on losses and analysis instead of blaming teammates.

1v1, 2v2, 3v3 are all important, and we focus on all 3 in Apex. I know WG, GG, WM do as well.

The more you focus on playing the competitive templates, the more overall fun you're going to have with the game. The reason is that we make all sorts of events and such for competitive play.

If you want to build a successful clan, just play in the events we make. Get involved. Grab people and get them involved. If they're just interested in a social aspect, there's sites that are much better for that, Warlight is and forever will be a competitive strategy game.

Even {rp} plays competitively alongside their non-competitive templates and shenanigans. If competitive strategy games aren't your thing, then you're not really ever going to get involved in the main community.

Yeah, none of the elite clans focus on 1v1 skill I don't think. Some like me focus team games much more than 1v1.

Lolo is right. The focus should be playing competitive templates (ones used in the clan leagues and other places). That is if you care about getting better. Don't be afraid to ask someone that wrecks you how they did it. It is a good way to improve.

But I do find the overall message from the author interesting. Volume on the forums does not make a clan superior. It just makes them loud. It is the quality of their posts that matter.

i only care about getting laid. warlight is for in between boning sessions. are you good at 1v1? cool. i'm good at getting laid.

I play this game for fun and I find it more fun to play with my teammates than by myself. So I'm not that interested in 1v1 or ffa games.

That's part of why we started the poon squad, to create a place where interested players could find others who are down for more team games.

That's just my opinion though.

Off topic: BONE, are you an alt of Bane? It's something to do with your picture and that you are in the same clan as him.

i thought i was your alt?

I like how we are put into the having a lot of numbers category.

Hey, we were mentioned twice in the same sentence. I'm okay with that.

There is some truth to your thoughts on 2v2 and 3v3. I did not mention them for the sake of clarity: my point is that the clans who focus on competitive skill more than sheer numbers, or petty rivalries, are the ones that pull ahead. My second point is that a lot of clans haven't realized it, and thus it falls on the shoulders of the competitive clans to enlighten them.

I wouldn't have mentioned it at all, but recently I asked a Lost Wolf who he thought the best 1v1 player in Warlight is and he mentioned some random guy in the Coalition of Role-Playing Friends. If clans like [20] and Apex are completely unheard of to these people, then something needs to be fixed.

I think it is true that people don't really have any concept of who is good. If they don't, they should at least assume the 1v1 Ladder #1 is the best 1v1 player in warlight. That is not a perfect assumption of course, but would be a logical assumption by a random player here. I mean unless they pay attention to the [20] league, they won't see all those top players against each other as many won't be playing the ladder at a given time.

It baffles me that they would not check the ladders though. If a random person is asked what the best clan is, and they know nothing about the clan league, you'd think they would go to the dashboard, check each of the 4 ladders for clan members there, and make a determination that way...right or wrong as it may be given many players are not on ladder(s). Instead, they use the clan list as some sort of measuring stick. Why not at least use the ladders as a measure of skill (if you are not familiar with other measuring sticks)?

Yes. You see the problem. And I think it's a fairly serious one. Consider: new players, when looking at clans for the first time... what are they most likely to see? If they check the forums, they see [random examples] Falcons, MSF. If they check the clan page, and assume that the top listed clans are the best, then they see. . . . . Darklords. If they play with random people, chances are they'd run into people from those clans too, simply because of sheer numbers and the fact that a newcomer is less likely to encounter a person from [20] than a person from Darklords.

That's not a good thing. Our role models are less visible than the morons. And it's partly our fault. I'm using this thread to raise awareness.

When I was a noob I remember seeing people like Szeweningen, Dunga, Huruey, Widzisz, Luxis, Impaller, Heyheuhei, Gui, Rubik, and the list can go on.

Those people were in some impossible to reach place. I remember watching their games and be like: holy shit these guys are amazing. I knew of them because I could see the ladder, I read their posts in the ladder forum when they would talk about games and such. Of course, Huruey, Wid, and Heyheuhei were pretty silent but they were always consistently good.

Honestly, if you want to just improve your game, if you want to play in the top 30 on the ladder, simply watch the games of the current 'impossible to reach' people. Go sit back and watch a few MoD games, he's really good at 1v1. Go watch Szeweningen and Psy play EU 3v3. Go watch Timinator play anything. He somehow guesses people incredibly well. Find idols, watch their games, maybe even talk to them. I assure you that all the people at the top of competitive play are really cool people. Except for Frankdeslimste.

Our role models are less visible than the morons

then be more visible :/

I tried to get my clan into 1v1, set up a few tourneys etc. Nobody isn't interested. It seems like we're an FFA clan...!

note how this became a session for the elite clans to brag

They aren't bragging.

In the days of JSA and Aranka clan statuses and the so called 'warlight hierarchy' used to be a bigger deal. This is ironic given that the community has grown since then. There was definitely a certain prestige to be part of clans such as WM, apex and #Elite!. It was amusing and entertaining, i'll admit. Heck, I used to be pretty hardcore back then too.

The so called 'trolls and giggles' back then were of higher calibre too, Billy Walsch, YAATs, Qi's alts, me and jsa, piggy, x, aranka, announcer, the great pulsius, Richard Sharpe picking on Arun, and even Anonymous. Those were probably the Golden Age of WL forums.

There was a bit of forum inactivity a while ago after most of us left, and now while there has been a resurgence in forum activity, its easy to say that quality of forum posts is reaching new lows all the time. A quick glance down the forum page reveals lots of uninteresting topics dominated by the same few people.

Just my opinion.