If YOU want RISK, join FFA games ONLY and let the players who enjoy diplomacy do their "unfair and boring" thing without you. You entitled little troll.

You choose to join a game and then blame the game when you choose to break the rules.

You sound like one of those people who think that rape is the victim's fault.

Besides, I'm sure that your demonstration of fractured logic and downright stupidity in this thread have done more to get you blacklisted by people than any of your breaking rules in games.

Edited 4/10/2015 17:19:56

Your points are all sooo invalid.

First of all, if you don't join diplomacy's you don't get blacklisted because you didn't join them. Then you can join all the FFA games you like. the solution to your blacklist problem.
Secondly, the fact that you don't understand the rules properly and/or don't like them doesn't mean the rules and the games are bad.
thirdly, the beauty of Warlight, is that everyone has the possiblity to make their specific games, the custom scenario builder is a great example for this which is used a lot for diplo games. This is so beautiful because it gives the players so much possibilities in how they would like to play the game. Then they have the freedom to start the games of which they like it. If you then don't like thes 'templates' you also have the liberty of not joining them. So you can play your RISK games you like and other people can play their diplo games which they like. We all go our seperate ways and we live happily ever after.

(btw, he invaded my diplo and booted active players (which is a big crime in the world of diplomacy's))

You are just trying to find a solution for a problem which is not a problem.

Your argument has literally no basis. If you don't want to play diplomacy games, don't enter them. Why would a player not be able to play a game how he desires because you don't like it? I like to equate this to the ever controversial topic of gay marriage. If two people decide they want to spend the rest of their life together, do you have the right to tell them they cannot, simply because (hypothetically) you dislike LGBTQ?

Also I will say diplomacy games have their flaws, and a good chunk end up in VTE, but as long as players continue to join them, players will continuously create them.

What's VTE?

As far as I know, it stands for Venous thromboembolism...

Edited 4/10/2015 22:32:57

VTE=Vote to End

JS0223, I never played with you but I already heard of you, as we are currently discussing about you in our clan's forum. You are free to hate a kind of playing, but please respect people and stop ruining our diplomacy/roleplaying games (respect rules, basic values of fair play, stop booting active players, troll/spam the chat and stop whining and crying because you are losing), if I ever meet you and see that what people say about you is true, I will blacklist you directly and tell people I know to do the same, your behavior is childish and pathetic. You dont like diplomacy games? Fine, DO NOT JOIN IT THEN.
What we should do is not to ban diplomacy games but ban players such as you from Warlight.

Edited 4/10/2015 22:58:38

Why can't people realize that JS0223 is a troll? Let's all just blacklist him and move on.

I have a proposal for people who like playing Diplomacy.

Let's ALL ban JS0223 from our games. If any of us see him join a game, he will be instantly blacklisted, labelled "ENEMY OF DIPLOMACY" and attacked without mercy. :-)

This sounds like a better idea than banning diplos because he doesn't like to follow the rules.

Edited 4/10/2015 23:02:47

Diplomacy Requires more then just skill in the game, you need to be able to gain alliences and get people to help you against certain people.

If you don't have a silver tongue (Which you obviously don't from your first couple posts) you will do horribly in diplomacy's.

Ok so JSO is just a troll so we can ignore him. But what if diplo games had their own tab under multiplayer? Or would that be unnecessary? What do you all (except for JSO) think?

"I always say and I will always continue to say that if you dislike diplomacies or the people who play them then you are either.
1. Bad at them. (yes you can be bad at diplos)
or
2. Playing with the wrong people and/or with bad templates."

Or you're not the lowest common denominator. You forgot that one.

I don't like diplomacy because I don't like luck. I want to lose when I play less than ideally.

@Nauzhor; There isn't almost any luck in a good diplo game. You just have to play your hand towards your favor, make allies when you need to, betray when you have to, and survive through the best means available. The saying goes, the pen is mightier than the sword.

ive taken over a world power spot from Getting my ass kicked because i made the right alliences at the right time.

JSO, so why do you wonder why people blacklists you then?

The last Diplo i created you automatically attacked a person without a deceleration and didn't say a bit about it, after a few turns you booted some people for not committing in time even though they were active. Don't expect to not be blacklisted if your playing the game wrong.

Some games just aren't meant for some people.And i know that Diplo games aren't the best. they get boring after awhile but they are games that players could do so much in it. The imagination is infinite.

And also if you don't want to be blacklisted then read the rules

What is Fizzer's opinion on diplomacy games? It would be interesting to see his reaction to something he made evolving

But what if diplo games had their own tab under multiplayer? Or would that be unnecessary? What do you all (except for JSO) think?

I don't think it's good, or necessary.

There are lots of steps in-between a pure strategy game and a full-on Diplomacy game. Forcing people to choose "which kind" their game is... is a bit of a challenge, and a totally unnecessary complication.

I'd like to keep the ground clear to start any kind of game you want. Maybe you want a game which is pure strategy for 10 turns, and then 5 rounds of diplomacy, and then back to pure strategy? Why not! (It is, of course, up to YOU to be as clear as possible in the game's description.)

About diplomacy games, I think of course that Warlight should improve this area. Many players dislike diplomacy games but I think that most of them actually are quite unfamiliar with this kind of playing which is complex. People saying it is just based on luck and those are not competitive games are quite ignorant of what a real diplomacy game truly is, according to me if you are a real roleplayer, you would need a real devotion on it, making an alliance with the right person, decide the right moment when you have to declare war on someone, negociate a peace treaty or negociate for some lands + basic playing and strategy skills. I think those players disregarding diplomacy games, rely it on bad experiences, and some bad diplomacy games which unfortunately are legion because it takes time to fully understand warlight's settings, and the best diplo/roleplaying games are lenghty works...

Here are some reasons of bad diplomacy games according to my own experience:
- the host does not do his job (manage and ensure his custom rules are respected),
- players not respecting game's rules, trolling, etc, this is the worst thing for a diplomacy game,
- bad scenarios and templates: here many factors, wrong map not made for diplomacy games, incomplete custom scenarios, unbalanced income, not reliable story based on wrong historical sources, scenario not respecting a fictional universe...
- players not motivated or enough devoted on roleplaying, diplo games are not for people never participating or never communicating, this is not an 1vs1 game, this is more complex than that.

Warlight already allows us to create any scenario possible, and customize it in an infinite way so really thanks for that.
However, I think some improvements could be implemented, here are some suggestions which could not be that difficult to set up (you are also free to add your own suggestions later):
- During roleplaying games, which are mostly retracing historical events or fictional worlds, it would be great to allow us to assign each players the character/role/title wanted and show during the game their title/role's name (not clear for you I guess, so I will make one example: you play on the Middle Earth map, and you are playing as 'Sauron' during this game when you are looking at the player's name you would see 'Angry Panda – Lord Sauron' or 'Angry Panda – King Louis of France).This I am sure it would make things easier and people could identify themselves easily to their roles.
- If possible, more complex settings allowing us to set up a real diplomacy game, making custom rules impossible to break (example someone becomes PE, 'Public Ennemy' something comparable to an outlaw for the diplo noobs, the Host or players (through an ingame vote) could have some options such as allowing them an 'anti-PE' special booting, removing disturbing players and stop them to ruin a game.
- Advertise better diplomacy games, some possibilites: show players's favorite template and be able to vote for it as it already exists for maps, then people could rely on a ranking system, also implement a ranking system for players (this is perhaps not possible, but I think that ranking could be based on some factors such as player's reputation) or some awards (the best backstabber, the peacemaker, the worst warmonger)


I had many things to say as you see and, if you had the motivation to read all this until the end thanks for your attention :)

Edited 4/11/2015 12:31:20

I imagined that being read in a French accent........ ..............

(off-topic Tupac lol but if you wanna listen a French guy speaking in English hear this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQcOo8vR-s4, I warn you this is not for kids!)

Edited 4/11/2015 12:48:13