It's small in the grand scale of things, yes. Not denying that. But is it justified?

Nor I nor myhand were saying that.

As for the first link:

As for your Jew-hate etc, here some links:

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/51845-israelipalestine-conflict?

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/51845-israelipalestine-conflict?Offset=7


You paint the Palestinians as victims of terror while minimizing the suffering of Israelis. If that image is to be taken seriously, then Israelis being afraid of Palestinian bombers are laugable cowards. They must be imagining it.

No relevance. Not a single word of me condemning Jews or expressing "Jew-hate". I criticized Israel and fail to see how Israel sums up Jews. It might be the wishful thinking of Netanyahu that he speaks for all Jews, but neither he, nor Israel represent the international Jewish comunity or Jews in general.
Not to mention that I stand by all the points I made and I am far from being alone in the perception of Israel violating international law, comminting war crimes or having fascist tendencies.

No evidence of "jewhate", which means your accusation is a mere defamation of my persona.

2nd link:

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/69919-french-shootings?Offset=6

After Charlie Hebdo bombings, the first thing you have to say is that the west is full of barbarians, so the suicide attack was insignificant if not even justified. You go on to characterize people with differing views as brainwashed by western propaganda.

No word of me downplaying the charlie hebdo attacks. I merely put them into perspective. If you had read the whole thread closely, you would have noticed that my post is a formal copy of another hypocritical outburst by another forum poster. It displayed the lack of condemnation of the western terrorism against arab countries by the media, the public or the forum. My argument was even clearer if you had read the following posts that can be considered an explanation to those that failed to see its intent.

Again you failed to provide evidence for an accusation made against me, again it was a mere defamation of my person by you.

the third link:

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/79349-illusion-military-power-carrier-fleets

You tell us, despite nobody asking, how weak the US military power is. Apart from your questionable argumentation, why did you feel the need to bring this up? If I thought I could read minds, I would say that you have a tremendous hate for the USA. But, I leave the supernatural to you.

The third link is exceptional funny, because you didnt even accuse me of anything in this regard. So it is completely without relevance.
You didnt even accuse me of anti-americanism, but lets assume you did.
What is interesting in this regard is that the aircraft carrier in question was not only "modernized" for billions of dollars prior to the simulated sinking by an 38 year submarine, but all information concerning the incident has since then been taken down from the official french government sites. Isn't it an information worth sharing if the official channels consider it an information worth hiding?



As for the P.S. you provided, it is a good display of your arrogance, so I will comment it

PS. being the curious person that I am, I actually watched the two first videos you linked to. While his argumentation is simplistic, I won't deny that he is probably on the right track. Still, contrary to what you are saying, overpopulation is a problem indeed. Caused by other problems, but a problem nevertheless.

Oh a professor who dedicated his life to the analysis of data you don't even have seems to be on the right track. How generous of you to say, I bet he will be relieved to hear from your approval. Maybe you tell him in the future what he could do better in evaluating all the data you don't even have.

Second Edit: Added ommitted link

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He decided to report my non-racist comment as racist, while ignoring all the racism, homophobia, and religious bigotry that has characterized a number of threads in the last few days.

I decided to report you because I was disgusted by so much contempt for human life. It was certainly not the only thing that was contemptous in the forums, but it was something I spotted and decide to make fizzer aware of. Particularily since in my perception the forums have gotten really out of hand lately.

EDIT: @myhand, what do you think about the fact that Islam is condoning pedophilia? Don't you think it's a big problem?

As for my stand on islam, I am an agnostic and an atheist. For me religions are all fairy tales, no matter if they are judeo-christian, islamic, budhist or whatever else. As a practioner of any religion you deserve the same rights as any non practioner of a religion. The same basic human rights that apply for any other person. So if you decide you want to believe the bible or the teachings of mohammed over the ‏ألف ليلة وليلة‎ or the brother Grimms fairy tales, be my guest. You are entiteled to it. If in your process of practicing a religion you violate universal human rights as formulated by the UN charta, you have my condemnation though.
Religions and Religion wars in my eyes are nothing else but a quarrel about who is having the cooler imaginary friend.

EDIT: This doesnt mean that there isn't a political component to the Islamophobia we can witness in western media and a huge amount of hypocrisy against Islam, that is meant to stir unrest and fear among the populations of western countries and deviate the attention of the western public from the actions of the governments towards the actions of US sponsored terrorist groups.

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Another one of these threads....

Funny how you gave the impression that I only provided three links even though I provided four. Why did you omit the second one?

Oh a professor who dedicated his life to the analysis of data you don't even have seems to be on the right track. How generous of you to say, I bet he will be relieved to hear from your approval. Maybe you tell him in the future what he could do better in evaluating all the data you don't even have.

You really shouldn't accuse others of arrogance, given your track record. That said, I was not disrespectful of the professor's material. I just don't think that the title of professor or "expert" exempts one from being viewed in critical light. He basically says that fertility goes down by upping the percentage of children that survive their first years. It is a very simplistic view, but then again, he cannot be expected to explain every nuance of it within 10-20 minutes of talk.

One thing that affects fertility that he didn't mention is religiosity. http://www.demogr.mpg.de/papers/working/wp-2006-013.pdf (page 16)

I decided to report you because I was disgusted by so much contempt for human life. It was certainly not the only thing that was contemptous in the forums, but it was something I spotted and decide to make fizzer aware of. Particularily since in my perception the forums have gotten really out of hand lately.

So was it racist or was it not racist? You say that I showed contempt for human life. The fact of the matter is that I used provocative language, like you do when you call people fascists, nazis, or brainwashed by the western media. And the content of what I said was absolutely true. These people's lives are wasted as they have no realistic perspective of ever contributing to the world in any meaningful fashion. They are born, they fight, they suffer, and then they die. It is you who has contempt for human life if you do not think that their lives are wasted.

Funny how you gave the impression that I only provided three links even though I provided four. Why did you omit the second one?

I overlooked the second link. It didn't prove any of your claims either. I added it in a second edit to my previous post. Try harder.

You really shouldn't accuse others of arrogance, given your track record.

I disproved your points on multiple occasions, while you couldn't present a single line of arguments backed up by evidence to disprove me. Given that track record any alleged arrogance on my part seems rather justified, don't you think?

One thing that affects fertility that he didn't mention is religiosity. http://www.demogr.mpg.de/papers/working/wp-2006-013.pdf (page 16)

Had you really looked into the links i provided, you would have seen that he mentioned exactly that as well. There is a whole link about this topic. Are you deliberatedly trying to look like a pretentious fool?

Here is it again:

http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_religions_and_babies

So was it racist or was it not racist? You say that I showed contempt for human life. The fact of the matter is that I used provocative language, like you do when you call people fascists, nazis, or brainwashed by the western media. And the content of what I said was absolutely true. These people's lives are wasted as they have no realistic perspective of ever contributing to the world in any meaningful fashion. They are born, they fight, they suffer, and then they die. It is you who has contempt for human life if you do not think that their lives are wasted.

This does not reflect your first post. If you fail to notice the racism in your first post, you are beyond hope. Any subsequent strawmans you present won't change that.

This does not reflect your first post. If you fail to notice the racism in your first post, you are beyond hope. Any subsequent strawmans you present won't change that.

Haha, ok? You have yet to show evidence of any racism in my opening post. What you read between the lines doens't count.

Had you really looked into the links i provided, you would have seen that he mentioned exactly that as well. There is a whole link about this topic. Are you deliberatedly trying to look like a pretentious fool?

See, that's what happens when you give someone half an hour of footage. You should be thankful that I even bothered watching those videos. Do as I do, and provide textual material that can be read in 1-2 minutes. Much better that way.

I disproved your points on multiple occasions, while you couldn't present a single line of arguments backed up by evidence to disprove me. Given that track record any alleged arrogance on my part seems rather justified, don't you think?

To borrow your expression, if you fail to see any Jew-hate in those posts, you are beyond hope. Any subsequent strawmen you present won't change that.

EDIT: I'm off to bed now, was refreshing to argue with you my dear pretentious troll.

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Aslon was gay

Look at Africa and Middle East, those guys are reproducing like rabbits. Now they don't know what to do with all that human waste, so they threaten to flood the EU with asylum seekers. Get it?

reproducing like rabbits - comparing human beings to animals, clearly derogatory and dehumanizing

they don't know what to do with all that human waste - refering to human beings as human waste, clearly derogatory and dehumanizing

so they threaten to flood the EU with asylum seekers - comparing a elemental human desire for peace and social security with a threat against a political institution , derogatory and dehumanizing human needs


Three racist slanders in two sentences. Get the fuck out of here , racist boy.

Holy Hell, can't we all just keep our opinions to are selves? Opinions are like assholes everyone has one. Gays, lesbians, Bi-sexuals, transgender aren't harming anyone at all. If your a devote to your religion and you read it as one way, cool, but remember thats your own -PERSONAL- relationship with it. Everyone reads their religious text differently. Please stop making yourselves look like asses infront of everyone else. Its so not cool.

-Hermit~

I think the problem is that people think they are so smart, informed and intelligent, but if threatened the slightest, they jump into a condescending tone, claim the other side's stupidity and that their version of prejudice is better than the other's.


Tl;dr you're all stupid in your own,special way.

I would like to take this opportunity and say that homophobic and also sexist BS is pissing me of since the first day I signed up here, which is about half a year ago. I don't think I can change / convince people and don't have the time and energy to try to teach them. Consequent blacklisting kind of works for the games but this forum really gives me the creeps.

I want to say thanks to the OP for bringing it up - it is a problem, and we need to speak up at least every now and then because the homophobic fraction interprets silence as consent.

I think the problem is that people think they are so smart, informed and intelligent, but if threatened the slightest, they jump into a condescending tone, claim the other side's stupidity and that their version of prejudice is better than the other's.

are you invoking colonel's stupid "heterophobia"? it is ok to be vigilant against stupidity. it's ok to let people know they are stupid when they are trying to use logic and the bible at the same time. or when they are trying to argue that "homophiles/heterophobes" like me are trying to take away their rights as a straight person.

no one's trying to turn you gay, we just want you to keep your stupid thoughts to yourself.

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Is it just me, or does it seem like 1/2 the site is LGBT? No idea how many LGBT there are percentage wise real world, but I'd imagine it's a little less inflated.

No, the site is not nearly 1/2 LGBT. You seem to be under the impression that anyone who promotes LGBT rights is LGBT.

it's ok to let people know they are stupid when they are trying to use logic and the bible at the same time.,

Your attitude only helps proves Genghis' point. You complain about bigotry but have no problem acting demeaning towards anyone with religious beliefs.

no one's trying to turn you gay, we just want you to keep your stupid thoughts to yourself.

No, you aren't trying to turn anyone gay, you're just trying to silence people who have political views you don't like.

Is it just me, or does it seem like 1/2 the site is LGBT?

I don't know, but I'm starting to think 1/2 the site consists of Social Justice Warriors who can't tolerate (ironic for those who preach tolerance) any way of thinking other than their own, and consider anyone who dares to argue with them a total idiot.

It's accurate though regarding logic and bible. They obviously don't go together. It's why religion is centered on belief and faith, not mathematics or problem solving. Science is logical, religion is an attempt to irrationally explain away things you can't rationally interpret. It's not meant to be logical. Its purpose is to give your sheep something to fear so you can threaten them with it if they don't heed your commands.

I don't mean pro -lgbt,i mean lgbt, nauzhor.

Assume makes an ass out of you and me.

Religion is a motivation and an open door when you have no place to turn to. When you have committed a wrongdoing and are atheist, do you think that such a thing doesn't matter? Is it logical to think that we can commit wrongdoings and not be punished rightly so? Religion is a logic much more crueler and straightforward, whilst being very elastic. It's something someone doesn't understand when they see black and white but not the rainbow. I'm personally not very religious, and am very open-minded (though i hold strongly to the beliefs i do have) but i hate when people are intolerant when people like me are put in a position where are strongest views are criticized.

There was no assumption, more pointing out that the only way that someone could refer to half the forum as LGBT would be if they assumed anyone pro-LGBT was LGBT themselves.

And that's blatantly obvious. You exaggerated hugely.

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@Nauz: I don't mean to look picky, but religion is a little bit more complicated than simply 'God of the gaps'. There are many reasons why religions were formed, 'God of the gaps' may be part of it, but you also have to point out the need for cultural unity. While civilizations were building it became important that people have the same sort of beliefs. It makes working together much easier, and conquest much more plausible. If you could convert the people you conquer, then gradually they will become absorbed into your culture and no longer seek to rebel. You have to realize that smart people existed back then just as they do now, so there were people who realized this and manipulated the populace. Hell, it is still happening now in Modern day, but with propaganda. North Korea is a great example of how you can force people into submission by manipulating their beliefs and culture.

As for what this topic is actually about:

I have an intolerance of special needs people. It is somewhat rational, somewhat irrational. However, I do not go on tirades publicly on how I believe special needs people should be dealt with. I do not go out of my way to offend these people. I do not show my intolerance to them. I do not talk about this publicly at all, and this is the first time I've ever said so publicly. I'm doing so to make a point.

This is similarly to how I think everyone should treat the topic of LBGT. At the end of the day, my intolerance will only spark more flames than help. Privately I can believe whatever I want, I can vote however I want. LBGT debate is no different. If you believe that they don't have the right to marriage, or if you believe it is simply a mental illness. Whatever. You can elect people who agree with you. You can vote however you want in order to stop the LBGT legislation. The second you begin bullying people who are LBGT, or sending out messages of intolerance in a wrong setting, that's when you lose your credibility.

You can hate. At the end of the day, if these people are not directly affecting your life, then don't try to directly affect their life. If the topic comes up where people are asking you of your opinion, do so in a polite manner. Being loud and obnoxious is no way to solve a problem.

tl;dr: You can hold an intolerant position, but you should never go out of your way to express this position, nor should you be loud and obnoxious about it.

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