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The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 12:51:26


[WL] Colonel Harthacanute
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So, I reckon gays, bisexuals and lesbians are wrong. Transsexuals are just confused. I'm not going to change my mind, so just don't waste your time by trying to make me.
Firstly, I disagree with the terminology. Technically I am lesbian. I like girls. So I'd rather call their condition "perverted sexual attraction disorder". I react indifferently to men attracted to men, kids or animals.
Secondly, it is not natural to love someone of the same gender. The reason being that sexual attraction is there for reproduction. If reproduction is not the outcome, the action makes no sense.

My solution is to send these people to live on an island in the pacific far away from the people without this condition. We'd see how long their population lasts.
Or, we can wait until their all died out. Historically, people of this condition would deny it, and be forced to marry which carried the gene to the next generation. With western ideologies which encourages these people to "come out", they will no longer reproduce and the genes will become extinct.

Feel free to add on to my little conclusion.
Trolls and brainwashed people are not welcome.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 12:54:19


Riveath
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Colonel, I understand you have your opinion, but... please, save it for yourself.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 13:01:03


[ESP] Pablo García
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You are embarrasing every human reading this. It's not natural? Yeah, maybe it's not. You can disagree with them, but man, imagine you were forbidden to be with any girl for the rest of your whole life. Or worse, imagine you were sent to a gay Auschwitz. That's inhuman.

Homosexuality it's not in genes, you should know, as you talk as if you had a Master degree about that. The problem is not LGBT. The problem is you.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 13:24:19


Njord 
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i kinda don't understand you being a lesbian since lesbian do not mean being sexual attracted to women... you cant just make up the meaning of words you know, history sheeds a tear every time it happens.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=lesbian.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 13:28:58


King C******* V 
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Oh god.... oh no....
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 13:29:18


Genghis 
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I see where you're coming from, but you need to clean up your grammar and use some more higher level terms.

Then, you could get something going.

You better keep those opinions to yourself though. You get oppressed and disrespected thinking like that.

Edit: Wait nvm. Keep spouting this opinion of yours.

Edited 3/28/2015 13:30:09
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 14:21:14


Eklipse
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Oh crap. A thread about LGBTs?






Colonel, since I agree with your views somewhat I'll give you a fair warning: You will likely be torn into a million pieces by angry gay rights activists.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 14:22:36


Жұқтыру
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Fight fire with fire, I guess...
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 14:37:11


Ζεύς
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Each to there own we are all entitled to an opinion regardless the world is to judgemental though. You're either going to be against or for in an argument Gays, bi-sexuals, transsexual and lesbians are all still humane regardless of there sexual orientation. We all have an opinion that doesn't mean yours will be taken in,one the main thing that will give a certain view is culture ..! So who are you to judge wrong from right?

Edited 3/28/2015 14:39:33
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 14:43:31


Eklipse
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one the main thing that will give a certain view is culture ..! So who are you to judge wrong from right?

The problem with this line of thinking is that there has to be someone/something deciding what's wrong and right otherwise it becomes do as you will and anarchy takes over.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 14:43:45


shyb
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i think they should put all straight people on an island instead.

The colonel doth protest too much, methinks. might be afraid of getting his head chopped off...

and yes, it is natural and happens in nature quite a bit. im too lazy to give a bunch of evidence but here's this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

and if you don't believe wikipedia, do your homework and check out the books and articles cited.

Edited 3/28/2015 14:47:46
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 14:47:14

[Falcon]The Polish Purple Bunny 
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Wait,Colonel is a GIRL? WTF?IDK...

Also Go fuck yourself Colonel,do not Start another Lawz Insult Chat group again...
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 14:49:35

[Falcon]The Polish Purple Bunny 
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However,Colonel Gays and Lesbians are wrong and are against Religious laws in every way possible
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 14:56:22

Thunderstrike
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The problem with this whole debate is that human beings don't just think, they feel. This makes it impossible for us to logically rationalize things as a computer would. My advice is, firstly, that we all have to remain critical of our own opinions and, secondly, be aware of how our opinions affect the emotions of our readers. Flip things around to see the other perspective. Supposing it were undeniably true that same sex attraction is not an abnormality I would try understand how horrible and unjust it would feel for me as a straight person to be forced into a relationship with my own gender. However, should science prove that attraction to the opposite gender is an abnormality I would consider how uncomfortable it would feel to covert my attraction to the proper gender rather than to have society accept me as I am. An open mind like this allows the largest number of people to 'follow the argument where it leads' as Socrates put it.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 15:04:55


OnlyThePie
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You may think what you like of others, I can't stop you from doing that. I'm not going to argue with you over whether it's right or wrong. I am going to argue that you can't just banish all these people to the pacific. That's inhumane. Would you be like "Oh hey, look at all these asian people who just happen to be sterile! Let's send them to some tiny island so they all die out!" That isn't okay. Think what you like, but don't be an asshole about it.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 15:06:45

Pulsey
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I don't think homosexuality is normal. I mean that quite literally - that its simply not the norm. From a scientific and evolutionary point of reasoning, Humans are simply designed to be heterosexual and civilization/ society wouldn't have continue to today if we were all homosexuals. I see homosexuality as more of a disability. Yes, homosexuals can think and behave as well as any heterosexual man, but they are still restricted from certain activities, such as the ability to give birth naturally, due to their natural sex preference.

I do think homosexuality is natural however, people are born with it. It is not, I believe, a man made thing. Its like a physical disability, like being born without a limb. Its a natural thing, its just not something that happens normally.

Like I said, I do accept that some people are born with homosexuality, so thats that. I don't encourage or promote homosexuality, I just learn to live aside and tolerate it.

That being said, I'm definitely against transsexuality. It is 100% unnatural and I think its simply deceptive. For people who say that 'people should do whatever they like as long as they are happy', well, I disagree.

Apologies if I offended anyone, Im ready to stand corrected.

Edited 3/28/2015 15:08:04
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 15:08:16

[WOLF]Andrew
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Colonel what is your problem. Exactly what did they do to you to be put on an island? Yeah, it's unnatural, but why do you care, unless a gay guy tries to make out with you, then you have a problem with that guy, and still not every gay person in the world.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 15:09:41

[WOLF]Andrew
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Pulsey I agree on both of your points.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 15:14:40


OnlyThePie
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I agree with Pulsey as well, one of my best friends i Bisexual, and he's a normal guy aside from that.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 15:20:25


[WOLF] Arrogance
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Well I think Colonel thinks in the right direction but the way he says it is just terrible...
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 15:31:59


Eklipse
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I guess I'll stop tip-toeing and step into the flame arena.

I agree with Colonel that homosexuality is unnatural and wrong, however, putting them all on an island or throwing them all in jail just isn't practical. Personally, I believe that governments should just ban gay marriage. That's really as far as you can go.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 15:42:17


The Lord
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YEAH! LETS BAN GAY MARRIAGE! THEN THEY CANT REPRODUCE!!!!!11!!!
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 15:44:32


[WOLF] Arrogance
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lol TheLord
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 15:52:53


Bla 
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"Firstly, I disagree with the terminology. Technically I am lesbian. I like girls."

- Assuming you're a man, making up a new terminology and saying you disagree with it isn't really a convincing argument against homosexuality.

"So I'd rather call their condition "perverted sexual attraction disorder". I react indifferently to men attracted to men, kids or animals.""

- Trying to change the terms to bear negative connotations or make the word sound to associate the thing with other negative things... is still not an argument against homosexuality.

"Secondly, it is not natural to love someone of the same gender. The reason being that sexual attraction is there for reproduction. If reproduction is not the outcome, the action makes no sense."

- Homosexuality is documented in many other species in nature - up to 50% of some ape species are bisexual, there are examples of penguin gay couples raising up a child left by its heterosexual parents, and so on, really, there's plenty of evidence it's natural in the sense it's widespread outside the human species.
Even then, does it matter if it's natural? Your shoes and your computer are no more natural than homosexuality. I suppose playing Warlight doesn't help you survive or reproduce. Saying something isn't natural is not an argument against shoes, computers or Warlight.
Sexual attraction from evolution's perspective certainly is there for reproduction, but maybe it could also serve other functions like social bonds a bit like many friendship activities. And you'll probably find homosexuals are happy when they perform the action... so it makes sense as it makes them happy. Pursuing happiness makes complete sense as long as you don't harm others. I'll continue to do so whether you like it or not and whether you're able to see a meaning in it or not. Your ability to find meaning in things isn't really what determines what I should or shouldn't do.

"My solution is to send these people to live on an island in the pacific far away from the people without this condition. We'd see how long their population lasts.
Or, we can wait until their all died out. Historically, people of this condition would deny it, and be forced to marry which carried the gene to the next generation. With western ideologies which encourages these people to "come out", they will no longer reproduce and the genes will become extinct."

- Yeah well of course millions of people aren't going to just accept some crazy, pointless social experiment to have them deported to a tiny island away from the rest of the world. And of course the people aren't going to line up in a queue and wait to get a ticket. If anything like this were implemented and enforced you can be sure its only effect would be to make people stay in the closet at most. Like all similar attempts have done throughout history.

Technically you could still use insemination and bisexuals could still reproduce but I don't see what you're trying to prove with the experiment anyway. Homosexual actions in themselves don't lead to reproduction, we all know that. Neither do they need to. The world's population has been increasing rapidly and with more people there's less resources per person. A small part of the population not reproducing and which can spend more of their life working instead of raising children is only good if anything. Ants by nature form well-functioning societies with the majority of their population not reproducing. I really don't know where you get your ideas or motivation from.

Maybe people here are just very apathetic about homosexuals and will see me as a 'troll' but try to consider how you'd react yourself if someone wanted to deport you to a pacific island for loving your girlfriend/boyfriend/husband/whatever.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 15:53:43


shyb
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i find this whole conversation repugnant. i have a few friends who are homosexual or transgendered. they are all good people who have had to deal with reptiles like colonel all their life. i do disagree with you pulsey. i am offended (but i am on the internet so it's expected). some people are born with hormonal imbalances and/or abnormal reproductive organs. it's a fact of life all across the animal kingdom. people born this way have a very hard time identifying with one gender. it doesn't help that we have gender stereotypes shoved down our throats from birth. and just because they "choose" to not conform to your ideas about gender, or find it completely impossible, doesn't make them bad people or worthy of any kind of judgement by anyone else.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 16:03:19

MewtwoHidden
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I agree with OP until he talks about "sending them off to the pacific ocean."

I don't really care about gays, lesbians, trannies, etc. It is really a non-issue to me politically, but it doesn't seem to be stopping there. For instance, recently I have been seeing support for pedophilia and bestiality in Liberal media sources such as the New York Times.

By the way, identical twins have been documented as having been of different sexuality (one straight, one gay) on numerous occasions, so saying that "they're born that way" is probably inaccurate. This means that queerisms must be something that is chosen or taught.

Edited 3/28/2015 16:22:33
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 16:07:07


Bla 
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Feel free to laugh.
Well said shyb, some of the comments here are plain repugnant on so many levels.

"By the way, identical twins have been documented as having been of different sexuality (one straight, one gay) on numerous occasions, so saying that "they're born that way" is probably inaccurate. This means that queerisms must be something that is chosen or taught."

- Seeing you edited your message... Anyway that's a pretty odd point to bring up, first of all because the exact studies you cite show a lot of occasions where the genes DO predict homosexuality, and you certainly do not choose your genes, which in itself disproves your conclusion
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2881563?uid=3737880&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21106272504473
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9549243
Secondly your conclusion it's something you must choose or be taught because it's not (fully) genetic is plain simply wrong. Even if I'm not homosexual because of my genes there were most certainly not anyone who taught me and neither did I choose it. I'd suggest some heterosexuals ask themselves how much they needed to be 'taught' or how much 'choice' they had when they fell in love from someone opposite of the other sex. Genes also work in very complicated ways by chemistry and not simply like on or off bytes in a computer.

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The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 16:07:46


[₩Ů£F] £Ų€ÏĐ ĎŔĒÅMĘŘ
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I'm not pro gay but I disagree with the idea of shipping then to an island. Now your just inhuman for killing them. Making yourself no better then Hitler etc
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 16:20:24


God
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There is no place for trolls in heaven.
The LGBT Problem: 3/28/2015 16:22:16


[MISFITS] Stormer
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While you're all entitled to the opinions you have on this matter, the part that's wrong is when you outwardly prevent these people from existing. Someone being within the LGBT+ demographic has literally nothing to do with your life assuming you're heterosexual and not transgender. By the way, the proper term is transgender, not transexual, but I digress. If you're so bothered that people who are different than you exist, then you've got a lot of growing up to do.

My assumption here, judging by the replies, is that many of you know little to nothing on the topic from a scientific standpoint. If your argument is that it's "not natural" then I suggest you all stop taking medication for your illnesses, stop curing things like cancer/other major diseases, and so on. What? Those are there naturally to reduce the population. Historically, both the LGB and the T part of the acronym have existed deep into human history, and I'm talking BC stuff here. As an example, there are records of rights given to trans people in ancient sumerian times. So this is nothing new. Those who said transgenderism is "simply deceptive" misunderstand the difference between sex and gender. Do yourselves a favor and read the wikipedia article on transgender, at the very least, before you make sweeping statements.

You can consider these all a "disability" but that implies that being gay or transgender is ultimately hindering to your life as a human. It's not. It can be considered a "mutation", if anything, because yes, humans are "supposed" to be born non-trans and straight for population purposes. There are pleanty of men/women who are born without the ability to reproduce. Should they also be cast away forever?

DNA is a complicated topic, but as it stands right now, we do know that these conditions are born with, and they're not hurting you in any way. Tell me one way allowing trans people to exist and allowing gay marriage is hurting you? It's closed minded people that are killing society. Those are the ones who are hurting others. Realize before you speak that you quite possibly don't know enough about what you're talking about. As I said before, you're allowed to have an opinion, but know that the manner in which you speak is disgustingly similar to those who spoke to promote racism, saying that all non-white people should be sent far away/killed/etc.

Please understand that someone may be different than you and they may present themselves in a different manner than you're used to. Try and have an open mind and realize that these things aren't hurting anyone. There are plenty of real, harmful problems society can be focusing on, and instead it's wasting its time marginalizing a group of people that are doing nothing wrong. The only people who are brainwashed are those who are those who refuse to empathize with the feelings of others.
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